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52. I'm not going to read this. But I do have something to say.
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 12:45 AM
Jan 2012

The paper could be a GOOD one or a BAD one, I don't know. What I find interesting, in an appalling sort of way, is how anyone thinks this is news. Did the bright young whippersnapper(s) who wrote this think they'd DISCOVERED something?

The OP subject line alone describes how life has been for women as a class for millennia.

I've read the thread so far and I see some of my feminist friends outraged about the paper, and I've seen DU men drooling and -- as one DUer put it -- needling and provoking.

The fact remains that the subject line is an apt description of life as we knew it prior to the Women's Movement and life as we know it STILL for far, far too many women -- certainly women in many other cultures, and too many women here in the U.S.

What bothers me, and perhaps this is because of the way the paper is written, is the underlying premise that these are CHOICES that women willingly make -- to trade sex for economic advantage. They may be choices women make, but they're hardly FREE women making those choices.

Rather, the women have grown up in a culture and been "trained" in all those subtle ways acculturation happens to behave in exactly that way. The shackles around our feet are a little looser these days, but they're still there. Women STILL make only $0.77 of what men in the same jobs make. Women are STILL discriminated against in upper echelons of business (that ole glass ceiling). Women STILL aren't present in their natural numbers in politics, government, judicial system. Women are STILL hunted (stalked) and killed, beaten and maimed, raped and sodomized, purely because they are women. And we are still taught -- from virtually the day we are born -- that our LOOKS and APPEARANCE damn near trumps all.

Women were trained to vie for the most eligible bachelors -- or indeed any bachelors -- by being pretty, cute, adorable, with decent enough domestic skills, etc., so they could escape the economic oppression that awaited them as single women in the days before 2nd Wave Feminism. We were also taught -- and it didn't take much given the economic reality -- that other women were our competitors, and so we regarded most of them as enemies, especially if we thought they were a threat to us in regards to the men we were interested in. The Patriarchy found this most amusing, but it served a very good purpose (for the Patriarchy): it kept us isolated in THEIR homes, distrustful of one another and distracted so we never quite put 2 and 2 together (until the 60s) to figure out The Men of Patriarchy were complicit in keeping us near totally detached from any sources of authentic power so we could merely live worthwhile lives WITHOUT a man, if we chose (or, more accurately, if we weren't CHOSEN).

And sure enough, now that women have a smidgeon more economic freedom, or a smidgeon less economic oppression, marriage isn't exactly the first thing all women run toward. Marriages are fewer now than ever. Women aren't forced to marry by economic necessity -- and so they don't. I think it was Bella Abzug who said, c. late 1960s -- "The greatest brain drain in the U.S. is down the kitchen sink." This was at a time when the "brain drain" emigration of scientists from the Soviet Union was in the news.

Fortunately, men in the Patriarchy found it useful enough when The Pill came into existence in the early 1960s that "virginity" stopped being the requirement it once was for nice girls to win economic stability via marriage.

So, I don't know what slant the paper adopted for this startling, stop-the-presses revelation, but as I said, the OP Subject line alone pretty much encapsulates the entire female experience under Patriarchy. It's disgusting, it's degrading, it robs women, men and society of the contributions women could make, and whatever's left of it at this late date in our so-called evolution MUST be changed. And quickly.

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Not this again. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #1
Why not this again? Zalatix Jan 2012 #8
It's a load of crap. chrisa Jan 2012 #14
It is an econ paper you know. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #15
Haha. Yeah, true. chrisa Jan 2012 #20
> Survivoreesta Jan 2012 #61
This sounds like theory divorced ProgressiveEconomist Jan 2012 #22
True, but the theory is not entirely divorced from reality. Consider this: Zalatix Jan 2012 #27
My first thought as well. chrisa Jan 2012 #13
In. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #2
100% of sperm in favor of sex Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #3
I think we should ask Beyoncé. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #4
Since this is Democratic Underground, let me reassert that the Democratic Party is the party dimbear Jan 2012 #5
May I offer a correction? Zalatix Jan 2012 #9
Thanks for a thoughtful reply. When I think of important powerful women who dimbear Jan 2012 #21
I came here because it was the party of the working man. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #29
No, not a bit. It's a big party, but this thread is about needling women. I'll defend dimbear Jan 2012 #41
Exhibit A Electric Monk Jan 2012 #6
Well, duh! Laelth Jan 2012 #7
Spamming this idiocy again? redqueen Jan 2012 #10
If straight people are capitalists, gay men must be like sex socialists. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #11
That, and the fact that here no one can unrec it. JHB Jan 2012 #12
You are talking to Loco MattBaggins Jan 2012 #35
That's OK, I'm not really talking to him... JHB Jan 2012 #50
thanks for info, jhb. appreciate it. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #60
What a load of horseshit. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #16
84% of liberals think this is a terrible idea. dawg Jan 2012 #17
Sanctity! You straights are just so Sanctified! Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #18
not exciting enough in here today? trying to start something? CreekDog Jan 2012 #19
There are some things wrong in there treestar Jan 2012 #23
Sex-starved male grad students pulling BS out of their asses. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #26
Interesting slutticus Jan 2012 #24
I forget what it's called, but there's a line of thought that tries to link chrisa Jan 2012 #37
I think you're referring to "evolutionary psychology". LoZoccolo Jan 2012 #40
Thanks! Yeah, it's total bullshit. chrisa Jan 2012 #49
get some new material! are you bored or something? dooga dooga dooga. dionysus Jan 2012 #25
Good article. ananda Jan 2012 #28
This phenomenon is the primary reason for cynicism among men. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #30
i guess you can address all the men willing to pay to use another human being. instead of shifting seabeyond Jan 2012 #31
Women who marry for money are also paying to use another human being. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #33
that is so fuckin disgusting. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #38
I'd like to figure out more about how you are thinking about this. LoZoccolo Jan 2012 #42
Why do you assume that most women marry the man with the most money? Nikia Jan 2012 #43
since hands down majority of women are living with men who are not making much and are working too seabeyond Jan 2012 #48
I didn't. Full stop. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #57
No, they are selling themselves to the men who are paying to use them. redqueen Jan 2012 #51
One "sells" assets. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #59
Hey, what happened to my (very short) ignore list? Quantess Jan 2012 #32
It was crap on DU2 MattBaggins Jan 2012 #34
How do you know? Eliminator Jan 2012 #36
have you done one post yet... just one, where you do not reduce a woman to a whore? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #39
The article in the OP actually does that too. chrisa Jan 2012 #45
yes. i know. all women are whores. i have been told that often on du the seabeyond Jan 2012 #47
It says a lot about you... Eliminator Jan 2012 #53
not one. i didnt think so. i gotcha. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #55
Please spare me the "bad father" MattBaggins Jan 2012 #44
Not saying you're a bad father Eliminator Jan 2012 #54
This is kind of obvious from a biological perspective. Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #46
I'm not going to read this. But I do have something to say. Remember Me Jan 2012 #52
encapsulates the entire female experience under Patriarchy seabeyond Jan 2012 #56
Very well said, thank you. Withywindle Jan 2012 #58
They're not under the impression that they're the first to actually discover this Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #62
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