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Chili

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47. of those 300 slaves...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 01:57 PM
Jun 2020

... some are in my family tree. My great-great grandmother married the son of a slave whipped by Robert E. Lee when he was recaptured after escaping. His family most likely was inherited by George Washington Parke Custis from Martha; that slave family (the Parks') became the responsibility of Robert E. Lee on GWPC's death (Lee married Custis' daughter). Lee fought the will that required the freedom of those slaves until he was forced to free them 5 years after GWPC's death. So I, in a way, take this topic personally.

Washington was definitely flawed, but he did leave in his will the requirement that all slaves be freed. Martha refused. He was our first president, and while he did own slaves, he was a great leader. I'd have a hard time approving of the destruction of memorials to Washington, Lincoln, even Jefferson. They were great men with the horrible moral incapacity to believe their own words and ideologies: that all men are created equal. I don't forgive them - I will never forgive them - and while they were great men of their time, they were not great men of moral integrity when it comes to slavery, as John Adams was. I think tearing their monuments down is going too far.

Now, when it comes to R.E. Lee and Martha Washington? Tear away.

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In that case, the monument must be taken down. demosincebirth Jun 2020 #1
Renamed would be better. greyl Jun 2020 #2
Updated my post demosincebirth Jun 2020 #4
Message read and understood. :) nt greyl Jun 2020 #5
Nah it can stay The Washington Monument. Loki Liesmith Jun 2020 #17
Rename the obelisk and the District of Columbia nt delisen Jun 2020 #35
Let's face it. They, the founders, were all white, male... brush Jun 2020 #3
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #6
That's silly. nt greyl Jun 2020 #11
You'd rather do that than try to fix this? Not me. That would... brush Jun 2020 #21
We've ditched some of the worst parts. Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #30
They didn't "conceive" it. They stole it from the Native Americans. Solomon Jun 2020 #32
My position is this. Blue_true Jun 2020 #37
That's good. I agree with that. White supremacy is so intwined in... brush Jun 2020 #39
What we all must face up to is BlueMTexpat Jun 2020 #7
Your Welsh ancestor lived in Pennsylvania and owned slaves? Jeebo Jun 2020 #9
That there were NO slaves in Pennsylvania is a myth. BlueMTexpat Jun 2020 #13
Lots of slaves in northern states unc70 Jun 2020 #14
The day before the 13th Amendment was ratified gladium et scutum Jun 2020 #28
What I also found ironic BlueMTexpat Jun 2020 #16
Slavery in NJ and NY was much less than in the south appalachiablue Jun 2020 #23
In 1780, the Pennsylvania Legislature passed an act to gradually end slavery gladium et scutum Jun 2020 #26
NJ was a slave state JustAnotherGen Jun 2020 #33
That counts me out DFW Jun 2020 #15
Love your last sentence especially! BlueMTexpat Jun 2020 #18
It's all a matter of perception. DFW Jun 2020 #19
"... press a button on their protein machine ..."? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2020 #25
A nostalgic holdover from ancient times.......... n/t DFW Jun 2020 #27
Imagine that you are an African American whose ancestors date back to slavery. Blue_true Jun 2020 #40
This. BlueMTexpat Jun 2020 #48
Why didn't dentists use the teeth of people already dead? BigmanPigman Jun 2020 #8
It would have been considered sinful to mutilate the dead. Chainfire Jun 2020 #31
This is the first time I've ever heard that about his dentures. Jeebo Jun 2020 #10
To follow up on my previous post, here is an BlueMTexpat Jun 2020 #12
The 'Turn' series is on Netflix now, I need to re-watch it. appalachiablue Jun 2020 #24
IMO, one of the most tragic stories is BlueMTexpat Jun 2020 #34
Most people already know this janterry Jun 2020 #20
This is all very tricky. a la izquierda Jun 2020 #22
Enough. tirebiter Jun 2020 #29
I agree. He was a monumentally important figure in our history. Blue_true Jun 2020 #41
This is why conservatives win so much Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #36
Sadly, true Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #38
Agree LeftInTX Jun 2020 #44
Maybe we all need to go back to our countries of origin? LeftInTX Jun 2020 #42
I need to stop being surprised by how defensive people get about a lot of things. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #43
I do the same with sanctimony BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #50
There is still slavery in this country. marie999 Jun 2020 #45
Our current fight is with the Confederacy and Trump Republicans still carrying a torch for it. gulliver Jun 2020 #46
of those 300 slaves... Chili Jun 2020 #47
A great conversation to have... BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #49
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