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Withywindle

(9,989 posts)
58. Very well said, thank you.
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 01:46 AM
Jan 2012

We have no idea what "natural" human relationships really look like. We've never experienced it, so we have nothing to measure against. All we know is a system where women are economically disadvantaged, and have been a socially repressed class for hundreds of years, valued only for our looks when we're young, and for our fertility and housekeeping skills later on.

Yes, it's also oppressive to men to be expected to be the breadwinners. But within living memory, in my mother's generation, a man could aspire to literally *anything,* from soldier to farmer to novelist to astronaut to pilot to doctor to lawyer to professor to senator to president to researcher to salesman to engineer to electrician to truck driver to policeman to journalist to surveyor to architect to carpenter to painter to scientist to historian to firefighter to filmmaker to steelworker to tailor to accountant to photographer to sailor to animal trainer to ad infinitum....while a "nice" woman could be ONLY a secretary, housewife, teacher, or nurse. Newspaper ads outright specified this. If you weren't temperamentally suited to that *extremely* limited range? Tough. Guess you had to be a whore, then.

Now, there were always brave and smart women who found their way to express their real selves, and do it without depending on men. But they were very extraordinary. For an ordinary woman? Yes, you did look for a man who could support you and the children you were expected to have (whether you wanted to or not). Chances are, you knew women who'd wound up without that financial lifeline, and you saw how scarily constrained and tenuous their lives were.

Things WERE getting better--though with the economy the way it is, most of the gains that workers of both genders made in the 50s and 60s and 70s are long gone, and we're closer to Depression economics now than ever since WWII.

Still, though, I have a long track record of loving men who barely have a pot to piss in. I prefer equals, and that means someone who does NOT have economic power over me. I dated a guy from a rich family once...I found it extremely uncomfortable in the long term.

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Not this again. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #1
Why not this again? Zalatix Jan 2012 #8
It's a load of crap. chrisa Jan 2012 #14
It is an econ paper you know. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #15
Haha. Yeah, true. chrisa Jan 2012 #20
> Survivoreesta Jan 2012 #61
This sounds like theory divorced ProgressiveEconomist Jan 2012 #22
True, but the theory is not entirely divorced from reality. Consider this: Zalatix Jan 2012 #27
My first thought as well. chrisa Jan 2012 #13
In. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #2
100% of sperm in favor of sex Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #3
I think we should ask Beyoncé. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #4
Since this is Democratic Underground, let me reassert that the Democratic Party is the party dimbear Jan 2012 #5
May I offer a correction? Zalatix Jan 2012 #9
Thanks for a thoughtful reply. When I think of important powerful women who dimbear Jan 2012 #21
I came here because it was the party of the working man. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #29
No, not a bit. It's a big party, but this thread is about needling women. I'll defend dimbear Jan 2012 #41
Exhibit A Electric Monk Jan 2012 #6
Well, duh! Laelth Jan 2012 #7
Spamming this idiocy again? redqueen Jan 2012 #10
If straight people are capitalists, gay men must be like sex socialists. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #11
That, and the fact that here no one can unrec it. JHB Jan 2012 #12
You are talking to Loco MattBaggins Jan 2012 #35
That's OK, I'm not really talking to him... JHB Jan 2012 #50
thanks for info, jhb. appreciate it. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #60
What a load of horseshit. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #16
84% of liberals think this is a terrible idea. dawg Jan 2012 #17
Sanctity! You straights are just so Sanctified! Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #18
not exciting enough in here today? trying to start something? CreekDog Jan 2012 #19
There are some things wrong in there treestar Jan 2012 #23
Sex-starved male grad students pulling BS out of their asses. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #26
Interesting slutticus Jan 2012 #24
I forget what it's called, but there's a line of thought that tries to link chrisa Jan 2012 #37
I think you're referring to "evolutionary psychology". LoZoccolo Jan 2012 #40
Thanks! Yeah, it's total bullshit. chrisa Jan 2012 #49
get some new material! are you bored or something? dooga dooga dooga. dionysus Jan 2012 #25
Good article. ananda Jan 2012 #28
This phenomenon is the primary reason for cynicism among men. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #30
i guess you can address all the men willing to pay to use another human being. instead of shifting seabeyond Jan 2012 #31
Women who marry for money are also paying to use another human being. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #33
that is so fuckin disgusting. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #38
I'd like to figure out more about how you are thinking about this. LoZoccolo Jan 2012 #42
Why do you assume that most women marry the man with the most money? Nikia Jan 2012 #43
since hands down majority of women are living with men who are not making much and are working too seabeyond Jan 2012 #48
I didn't. Full stop. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #57
No, they are selling themselves to the men who are paying to use them. redqueen Jan 2012 #51
One "sells" assets. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #59
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It was crap on DU2 MattBaggins Jan 2012 #34
How do you know? Eliminator Jan 2012 #36
have you done one post yet... just one, where you do not reduce a woman to a whore? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #39
The article in the OP actually does that too. chrisa Jan 2012 #45
yes. i know. all women are whores. i have been told that often on du the seabeyond Jan 2012 #47
It says a lot about you... Eliminator Jan 2012 #53
not one. i didnt think so. i gotcha. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #55
Please spare me the "bad father" MattBaggins Jan 2012 #44
Not saying you're a bad father Eliminator Jan 2012 #54
This is kind of obvious from a biological perspective. Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #46
I'm not going to read this. But I do have something to say. Remember Me Jan 2012 #52
encapsulates the entire female experience under Patriarchy seabeyond Jan 2012 #56
Very well said, thank you. Withywindle Jan 2012 #58
They're not under the impression that they're the first to actually discover this Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #62
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