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In reply to the discussion: Dow Jones Sanity Check [View all]

kurtcagle

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21. Longer term question
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jun 2020

I have a heuristic (just observations on my part over the last sixty years) that an incoming president generally has little influence on the market for about twelve months after his oath of office. (e.g., Obama's real influence on the market was complete only by Jan 23rd, 2010 at around 10,800 for the DJIA (with it going up linearly from inaugural day 2009). As a heuristic it's reasonably useful as a gauge for how the market behaves absent the influence of the previous administration. I'm using the DJIA only because most non-financial people see it as being indicative of the broader market (S&P's better, but I don't have numbers easily memorized for that).

For Obama, this means the Obama rally saw an increase of 15,800 points (First anniversary for Trump was Dev 26, 2019, which meant that he "owned" the economy at 26,616). It was range bound within a window of about 1500 points either way for the next two years, breaking out only in Oct-Jan to reach a peak at 29551, then beginning to fall fairly steeply even before Covid really hit in February. The six-month-moving average for the DJIA today is just at 25,000, meaning that the DIA closed Friday almost exactly at the moving average, with no slope, which suggests that we're about to see an inflection point where the DJIA starts downwards again within the next week or so, ultimately hitting another inflection point around 21500 or so (based upon 6MMA) around Nov 1 before trending back upwards. That means that revisiting the March lows is certainly a possibility.

My personal suspicion is that we'll be around that level for a while. COVID-19's effects are going to take the wind out of the sales of the economy, and I think that another stimulus payment will be fought tooth and nail by the GOP unless they get a corresponding pound of flesh for their corporate donors, which I suspect Pelosi will block. My own belief is that the markets are still about 10% overvalued, given what I see with the virus, and so a DJIA 6MMA of 22,000 by November as not being unrealistic.

I'd be curious about your opinion about that?

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Dow Jones Sanity Check [View all] ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 OP
The market is not the economty. Just my POV. Newest Reality Jun 2020 #1
Never Said It Was ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #7
Never said you said that. Newest Reality Jun 2020 #14
More info? kurtcagle Jun 2020 #2
Models ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #10
Thanks kurtcagle Jun 2020 #18
My AAPL hit a record high... brooklynite Jun 2020 #3
A Reply Without A Point? ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #8
"folks can calm down a bit. "..."The market is not performing impressively. " brooklynite Jun 2020 #16
The market (the S&P 500, not the stupid Dow Jones) is at the level it was a year ago muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #4
That Makes No Sense ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #9
Because the past 6 months have been shit muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #11
No, we should be below 15,000. The market is a bond squeeze cause there's no were else to get uponit7771 Jun 2020 #5
That Just Wrong ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #6
So you think equities currently are correctly valued? REALLY ?! uponit7771 Jun 2020 #17
Thanks for the picture, Prof. nt Hortensis Jun 2020 #12
My bet is: kentuck Jun 2020 #13
The current P/E ratio for the Dow Industrials is 21.49. OilemFirchen Jun 2020 #15
+1, ... and I don't see where the 2.3 trillion is going other than pushing people out of bonds ... uponit7771 Jun 2020 #20
This doesn't take away the fears I have. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #19
Longer term question kurtcagle Jun 2020 #21
One other point kurtcagle Jun 2020 #22
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