General Discussion

kentuck

(116,273 posts)

48. Excellent points!

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 10:42 AM

Jul 2020

It would not have to be an African-American leader but I think it would give the issue added credibility.

Of course, "law and order" has been used to perpetuate Jim Crow laws through the years and the response should be a counter to that.

But, in my opinion, we cannot side with those that resort to lawlessness and anarchy, for purely political reasons, and we should publicly denounce those types of actions. I do not think it would do a lot of good to try and explain the reasons for such actions. I think it would be better to attack Donald Trump and the Republicans for creating the conditions that have brought on these latest episodes of violence.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

108 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Statue's like "is this ...the Indian Ocean?" [View all] bigtree Jul 2020 OP

May I ask why? nt doc03 Jul 2020 #1

I didn't do it bigtree Jul 2020 #2

I got the joke Flo Mingo Jul 2020 #11

Because Columbus and his men raped and killed and tortured and enslaved multitudes Squinch Jul 2020 #4

Back in that day don't you think anyone else would doc03 Jul 2020 #8

You want to continue to glorify Columbus? That's on you. Squinch Jul 2020 #9

Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #12

"What about African's that sold their own people into slavery?" Nature Man Jul 2020 #39

Are you saying it didnt happen? doc03 Jul 2020 #41

I'm saying that I'm African-American Nature Man Jul 2020 #57

What exactly is stopping people from mass-raping 9 year old children again then? ck4829 Jul 2020 #10

People are not idolizing him for that. So I guess doc03 Jul 2020 #13

What is it about 1865 that only after that year should atrocities be acknowledged? Squinch Jul 2020 #20

It doesn't matter what I think it is the people doc03 Jul 2020 #37

Those people are never going to vote for Biden, no point in trying to coddle them. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #43

I think you are wrong, there are former Democrats doc03 Jul 2020 #56

What you are doing, Nature Man Jul 2020 #58

If anyone is moved to either not vote or vote Trump over Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #60

You do realize that Columbus was fired from his position as governor of Hispaniola because of... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #42

He commited genocide and was a child molester. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #44

Wtf is this nonsense? PTWB Jul 2020 #65

No dude, just no. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #67

We can exempt people born into a system and being part of it krispos42 Jul 2020 #30

Memorializing racist, psychopathic butchers isn't OK. PTWB Jul 2020 #31

Aside from mass genocide you mean?? jcgoldie Jul 2020 #36

Yup Nature Man Jul 2020 #46

Somehow, I think a few other states will join Colorado in replacing Columbus Day hlthe2b Jul 2020 #3

We have Indigenous Peoples Day in California, too tishaLA Jul 2020 #108

The statue sits in the Little Italy neighborhood of Baltimore, near the harbor struggle4progress Jul 2020 #5

I agree it only helps Trump. nt doc03 Jul 2020 #7

why? bigtree Jul 2020 #16

I don't care who is doing it but that is what leads doc03 Jul 2020 #35

again, Democrats aren't toppling statues bigtree Jul 2020 #45

Who do you think is being blamed for it? When doc03 Jul 2020 #53

'Trump spoke' bigtree Jul 2020 #59

I could careless what a traitor says rockfordfile Jul 2020 #101

Thank you for your concern Nature Man Jul 2020 #49

It doesn't matter if it is "this" or something else... Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #52

Um Nature Man Jul 2020 #79

I could careless what a Nazi network says rockfordfile Jul 2020 #100

I don't agree with that rockfordfile Jul 2020 #19

Yes. It's a big deal to Italian Americans who were lynched Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #15

Then we need to pick another Italian figure to glorify. Italian Americans of good faith, Squinch Jul 2020 #22

Meh Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #26

That is a truly disgusting, not to mention inaccurate, post. Squinch Jul 2020 #28

It most certainly IS accurate Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #29

Sorry, no. It really isn't. And your logic is fucked up too. You are essentially saying that Squinch Jul 2020 #32

Sorry reality just gobsmacked you Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #33

Sorry, you really aren't telling me anything that I don't know a lot about. Our posts crossed Squinch Jul 2020 #34

That's bullshit. They were also there to proselytize Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #40

Where did I claim it was false that the Aztecs sacrificed slaves? I never said that. Squinch Jul 2020 #47

Yet....they did Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #62

You keep saying I said the Aztecs didn't sacrifice slaves. You made that up. I never said that. Squinch Jul 2020 #68

You did say it Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #72

Link to where I said it. Because I never did. I actually understand the history. I know Squinch Jul 2020 #74

Did you celebrate the 4th yesterday? Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #81

I said simply that your post was disgusting and inaccurate. Which it was. Squinch Jul 2020 #86

Meh. Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #91

you are a terrible person SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #92

But I'm not a hypocrite! Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #94

but you claimed concern for 'Italian Americans who were lynched' in one post bigtree Jul 2020 #95

Nope. I'm not unmoved at all Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #97

Thank you for this post. Saved ME the time of typing it out. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #54

I think a lot of people don't actually know the facts about Columbus. They are truly horriffic. Squinch Jul 2020 #69

Thom Hartmann educated me about 12 years ago Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #76

I'm reading now about the Puritans and what they did to the natives. Squinch Jul 2020 #78

But you still live here Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #83

my 'ancestors' were brought here against their will bigtree Jul 2020 #85

We are taught early on in schools (at least when you are my age) and with television Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #84

I'll definitely read this. Thank you. Squinch Jul 2020 #89

Columbus was evil rockfordfile Jul 2020 #105

Doubling down? Nature Man Jul 2020 #82

It doesn't matter about different times. Once a pos mass murder always rockfordfile Jul 2020 #102

Southern Italians are still not considered "white" in some places Nature Man Jul 2020 #51

So they, more than anyone, should know that it is not OK to glorify a man who Squinch Jul 2020 #71

Columbus wasn't an 'immigrant,' he was a colonizer bigtree Jul 2020 #17

I don't object to the statue being removed: I object to mobs of self-righteous nitwits struggle4progress Jul 2020 #23

This is a good point, independent of the merit of the statue. nt coti Jul 2020 #87

there are three Columbus statues in Baltimore bigtree Jul 2020 #88

Yet you enjoy the fruits of his work. Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #27

you first. bigtree Jul 2020 #50

I'm not complaining Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #66

Africa? Nature Man Jul 2020 #73

It's not racists Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #75

Columbus never set foot in what is now the United States Nature Man Jul 2020 #77

that's a generous reading bigtree Jul 2020 #80

I agree rockfordfile Jul 2020 #103

+1 nsd Jul 2020 #24

It's gonna piss off the Italian population Polybius Jul 2020 #55

you mean in Baltimore bigtree Jul 2020 #64

Most of us Democrats are reasonable moderates Polybius Jul 2020 #98

I support taking them down and replacing with a true Italian American rockfordfile Jul 2020 #104

Not by toppling them Polybius Jul 2020 #107

Destroying a statue does not tell people what this person did. marie999 Jul 2020 #6

too late for that bigtree Jul 2020 #14

Anarchy kentuck Jul 2020 #18

which Democrat? bigtree Jul 2020 #21

which Democrat? kentuck Jul 2020 #25

why an African-American? bigtree Jul 2020 #38

Excellent points! kentuck Jul 2020 #48

One person's "lawlessness" Nature Man Jul 2020 #61

+1. We have no business worshiping some genocidal maniac who never set foot in America dalton99a Jul 2020 #70

This is not the result of Trump but a long time coming. Trump is a symptom not the disease. N/T Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #63

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! malaise Jul 2020 #90

oh my god bigtree Jul 2020 #93

There was a DUer who spent copious time malaise Jul 2020 #96

That's hilarious Solly Mack Jul 2020 #99

Good one, Emily! betsuni Jul 2020 #106