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randome

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39. I agree wholeheartedly that its potential is enormous.

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:58 PM

Dec 2011

But when enough people point out that the message is not resonating, a rational person might re-think his/her position on tactics.

I keep hearing how it's a positive that OWS has no leadership or clear-cut goals. That's in reality a prime example of denial. Because without organization or messaging, nothing long-lasting will occur.

The 1% are not afraid of OWS.

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Occupy Oakland damages itself more than ports [View all] hack89 Dec 2011 OP

Actually, it didn't. Anyone who was there witnessed the support from the rank & file. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #1

No, it reveals that OWS is flaming out. TheWraith Dec 2011 #3

You wish. Matariki Dec 2011 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #10

No, I accurately predict. TheWraith Dec 2011 #82

I imagine we all think our own guesses and prognostications LanternWaste Dec 2011 #111

0 for 10 GeorgeGist Dec 2011 #126

You are right. The Oakland activity was offputting even to some Occupy activists let alone to quiller4 Dec 2011 #11

um, no. tavalon Dec 2011 #67

In other news, the only "acceptable" news about OWS is from OWS. TheWraith Dec 2011 #83

Oh, that's funny!! sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #74

... up twinkles ... FirstLight Dec 2011 #80

Thank you! sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #99

Protests that hit ten thousand plus at their height are now down to a few hundred at a time. TheWraith Dec 2011 #84

I am thrilled with the progress of this movement. It's now in over 2,000 cities worldwide sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #98

So glad to hear this, Sabrina! onlyadream Dec 2011 #120

Lol, yes, I noticed my bull has sunk but didn't think of the symbolism. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #123

You also have to remember rbixby Dec 2011 #118

this is why I wish DU3 had like buttons , nt onlyadream Dec 2011 #121

One of the most laughable propositions regarding OWS... randome Dec 2011 #6

I'd like you to introduce me nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #14

The union leadershp does not support it FarCenter Dec 2011 #18

As explained several times already, union leadership has no-strike contracts to deal with. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #29

Union leadership works to benefit their members, not some fuzzy social goals FarCenter Dec 2011 #40

Their current contract is quite specific nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #55

The union leaders DO support them. This has been explained over and over again. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #76

So happy to see you on DU3, Sabrina! (n/t) Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #81

I believe that the unions have NO STRIKE clauses in their contracts. Vincardog Dec 2011 #2

Thread winner nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #13

That is true. Most do. However even without a no-strike clause ILWU members who have no dispute quiller4 Dec 2011 #16

You really believe no one was impacted a bit except the longshoremen? LooseWilly Dec 2011 #48

The blockage began at 3:00 pm. Most freight is moved between 5 am and 10 am. quiller4 Dec 2011 #58

Wrong, it started at six in the morning. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #73

“The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones.” ― Confucius LooseWilly Dec 2011 #78

So to inconvenience Walmart by a barely noticible amount, they screwed the port workers out of pay. TheWraith Dec 2011 #85

Walmart operates on barely noticeable marginal amounts... multiplied over vast numbers of margins. LooseWilly Dec 2011 #91

Put another way, Walmart makes a few thousand dollars less profit out of a $15 billion dollar year. TheWraith Dec 2011 #94

You fail to acknowledge the "mass" in mass production/sales... LooseWilly Dec 2011 #97

OK what action are YOU proposing to have the impact you desire? Vincardog Dec 2011 #122

I actually think you may be mistaken about ILWU workers losing a day of pay. If coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #53

Jaysus nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #57

Unions like no strike contracts, no need for strike benefits. julian09 Dec 2011 #50

I think a no strike clause makes for a very weak union. tavalon Dec 2011 #68

The movement is not perfect, but we need to support it to our fullest ability.... Scuba Dec 2011 #4

I agree with you Liberal_in_LA Dec 2011 #37

I'm union first. pintobean Dec 2011 #45

I got not problem with that!! n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #47

But when they make poor choices we need to voice our displeasure hack89 Dec 2011 #62

Agreed. n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #106

And yet, you seem to feel the opposite about the Democratic Party. TheWraith Dec 2011 #86

"Reviled, cursed and denied any support".... Scuba Dec 2011 #107

So we are supposed to blindly and uncritically HappyMe Dec 2011 #114

Again, putting words in my mouth.... Scuba Dec 2011 #117

Funny that all the "union opposition" Union Scribe Dec 2011 #7

Kick Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #8

ROFL! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #9

Change location and year nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #12

Some union leaders seem to be siding with the 1% in attempting to marginalize OWS... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #15

No strike clause nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #19

Walk in to a Longshore Hall and ask around. If you check in at Local 19 or 123 you'll find quiller4 Dec 2011 #21

This is a good example of why consensus is crucial... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #27

I don't know about Seattle but in Tacoma the answer is "yes" and that is at least in part why there quiller4 Dec 2011 #59

It couldn't be because they simply don't AGREE with OWS' tactics. randome Dec 2011 #28

More likely that union leaders feel threatened... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #35

I agree wholeheartedly that its potential is enormous. randome Dec 2011 #39

The way I view the movement at this point... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #61

Appreciate the response. randome Dec 2011 #63

A leader will bububle up when the organization needs one tavalon Dec 2011 #69

I agree, leaders have appeared from time to time, even addressing the media... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #71

There is supposed to be a convention tavalon Dec 2011 #79

So now OWS is going to secede from America? randome Dec 2011 #103

Yeah, that's exactly how it's going to happen. tavalon Dec 2011 #129

When OWS screws over the people they're supposedly fighting for... TheWraith Dec 2011 #87

It's more like OWS is stepping up to the plate to do what the unions should be doing. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #17

Do you think publicly showing up the unions is a wise move? How does this grow the movement? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #20

If the unions don't want to be "shown up" they should be out there picketing. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #24

So deliberately antagonizing the unions is a good thing for OWS? OK. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #26

Or, vice versa? Is it a "good thing" for the unions to try to break a strike? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #31

I would put my money on the unions - I am very pro-union. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #32

The union leadership tried to stop us from striking in '71 and Nixon called in the troops. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #36

There is no strike at the Port of Seattle, Neither is there a strike in Tacoma. Were contract quiller4 Dec 2011 #60

Actually, the shutdown was supported by many unions, but keep going, I'm enjoying this CreekDog Dec 2011 #22

The union rank-and-file are strongly supporting OWS actions. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #25

Glad I could make your holidays merrier. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #30

Your concern is noted... n/t backscatter712 Dec 2011 #23

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #113

I'm not happy about the direction of OWS taught_me_patience Dec 2011 #33

Well then, I'll tell you what I tell every other SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #34

Not all of us have that luxury - life gets in the way hack89 Dec 2011 #41

So when you went to "Occupy" SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #49

So OWS only represents special 99 percenters? It is not a global movement? Got it. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #51

Exactly! tavalon Dec 2011 #70

THIS was a post from Occupy Seattle Matariki Dec 2011 #38

This appears to be a coordinated message being sent Mnpaul Dec 2011 #42

Right. DU is against OWS. randome Dec 2011 #52

I don't think DU is against OWS. a simple pattern Dec 2011 #64

I was being sarcastic. randome Dec 2011 #66

From my point of view, too many DUers are negative about OWS a simple pattern Dec 2011 #72

It's called concern trolling. U4ikLefty Dec 2011 #75

So anyone who doesn't have the luxury of traveling to OWS in Oakland, California should shut up? TheWraith Dec 2011 #89

Where did I tell anyone to shut up? U4ikLefty Dec 2011 #95

The only strawman is your insinuation that I have a motive other than accuracy. TheWraith Dec 2011 #96

You misunderstand the structures and focus of OWS eilen Dec 2011 #115

No, it's called making suggestions on a discussion forum. randome Dec 2011 #102

I think you are confusing OWS with someone's presidential campaign... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #104

Another conspiracy? randome Dec 2011 #105

Whenever I feel that I may have a problem with the movement... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #108

well of course it is Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #110

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #43

It certainly occurs to me... n/t backscatter712 Dec 2011 #46

I can't reply to the hidden post, so I'll reply to yours! a simple pattern Dec 2011 #65

Oh hey, a place for my thread on Occupy Oakland. Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #44

Typical dismissive condescending MSM perspective. robertpaulsen Dec 2011 #54

Your concern is duly noted AnOhioan Dec 2011 #56

Just a few months ago themadstork Dec 2011 #77

OWS isn't the "general populace." TheWraith Dec 2011 #90

What a strange thing to take issue with themadstork Dec 2011 #93

'We are the 99%' implies that they speak for most of the population. randome Dec 2011 #101

It implies that they are in the bottom 99% of wealth. themadstork Dec 2011 #128

Great post. Kaleko Dec 2011 #100

And Here's Chip... From Just A Couple Days Ago... WillyT Dec 2011 #88

There were union and non-union supporters of #OWS Oakland, It is a shame so many are ignoring it. unapatriciated Dec 2011 #109

No. Iggo Dec 2011 #112

Chip Johnson and SF Gate writers in general are not good sources of factual information about mulsh Dec 2011 #116

+1 Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #119

Is there any way to link to your DU2 thread KamaAina Dec 2011 #124

Good idea KamaAina: here it is-- Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #127

A-yup. As soon as I saw that headline, KamaAina Dec 2011 #125