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cureautismnow

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17. " ...except in cases of impeachment"

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 10, 2020, 08:47 PM

Jul 2020

If the impeachment charges passed by the House had included the evidence obtained from the Russian investigation, it seems to me that the commutation could have been nullified or at least been decided ultimately in the SCOTUS.

As it stands, you can do the crime and not do the time if your buddy is the Orange clown. I bet Manafort skates next.

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what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence? [View all] demtenjeep Jul 2020 OP

Doesn't that mean Stone admits guilt & must freely participate in any othr criminal investigation? TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #1

No, that's a pardon. If he'd accepted a pardon he'd have to admit guilt, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #4

But it does mean he is still a convicted felon (7 felonies). madinmaryland Jul 2020 #8

Yes, it does. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #10

People keep posting this. former9thward Jul 2020 #30

Not so. Confession is imputed by acceptance. Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915): The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #32

No. former9thward Jul 2020 #35

Thanks for clarifying it and clearing my confusion. TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #33

Had He Been Pardoned, Sir, Yes The Magistrate Jul 2020 #5

It means he doesn't have to go to prison, although The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #2

No Jail, Conviction Stands The Magistrate Jul 2020 #3

Zippy doesn't have to go to jail. BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #6

It could get thrown out in court. Stone's tweet ensures it. donkeypoofed Jul 2020 #7

It can't be thrown out in court because, like pardons, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #9

" ...except in cases of impeachment" cureautismnow Jul 2020 #17

No, what that means is only that an impeachment can't be pardoned. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #18

Wouldn't that preclude Trump from receiving a future pardon from Pence? cureautismnow Jul 2020 #19

No. That's not what it means. It means that a president can't undo The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #20

The framers messed up then. cureautismnow Jul 2020 #29

However....the judge may be able to quash the communtation dixiegrrrrl Jul 2020 #24

How? The power is in the Constitution. The underlying crime might be prosecuted, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #25

No she can't. former9thward Jul 2020 #31

Is there a screen cap of that tweet? Alex4Martinez Jul 2020 #16

It means he's still a convicted felon, but can still take the fifth Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #11

agreed, but wait until next year when we have a senate and whaite house not awash in corruption Takket Jul 2020 #23

The new AG will be an even more crucial appointment than usual. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #28

He has got the goods unlike Manafort and Cohen ... mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #12

Like everyone else said, its not a pardon. Xolodno Jul 2020 #13

Until Trump loses in November then Stone at some point gets the full pardon. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2020 #15

No guns StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #21

He's free now to devote all his time to devising dirty tricks to help the criminal in the WH wishstar Jul 2020 #14

A felony record would not disqualify him Chainfire Jul 2020 #22

If he is pardoned, he cannot "take the Fifth"..? kentuck Jul 2020 #26

All the guys in the prison yard won't be jacking to the Nixon tattoo on Rogers back now. Captain Zero Jul 2020 #27

I hope this means no voting AND no GUNS!! bluestarone Jul 2020 #34