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Drunken Irishman

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7. That is oversimplified.

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 05:30 PM

Jul 2020

Trump didn't do much better overall than Romney - both in the national popular vote and in swing states like PA, MI and WI.

It wasn't that Trump fueled an insurgency of new voters who didn't vote in 2012 or 2008 - or voters who did vote, but went for Obama. Sure, some of that was at play but it wasn't extensive. In PA, Mi and WI, Trump only did 2-3 points better than Romney.

That alone should not have cost her those states.

So, what did?

The fact the third party candidates did way better in 2016 than they did in 2012.

As for your last point, a majority of white women didn't vote for Obama, either, in 2012.

Romney won white women with 56% of the vote in 2012.
Trump won white women with 52% of the vote in 2016.

Hillary actually did better, in terms of margins (lost it by nine) than Obama did four years prior (lost it by 14).

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I don't like Ezra Klein much but he did bring up a good point in regards to 2016... [View all] Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 OP

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