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ehrnst

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21. So why hasn't it been done? It was first brought up in 1971.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:05 AM
Jul 2020

Democrats told Ted Kennedy to tell Nixon in 1971, "Single Payer or nothing" and we got nothing.

And Nixon was proposing a plan that was to the left of the ACA.

Kennedy said this was one of the biggest regrets of his political career, because we might be much, much closer to UHC than we are now.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

That said, single payer used by only a few countries that have Universal Health Care.

Why do the vast majority of countries use a hybrid system of payers with public/private partnerships to achieve universal health care and not single payer?

Why do you think it took Canada over 10 years to get a UHC, and why do you think that it's not run at a federal level, but primarily at a province by province level, if a federally run single payer plan is so easily done?

And if the SCOTUS of 2010 ruled that states did not have to participate in medicare expansion under the ACA, what makes you think that the SCOTUS of 2021 won't do the same with medcaid expansion to all the states, even if it could get passed into law?

I say this as someone who had great medical coverage when I lived in the UK. But I understand they didn't get to where they are in two years, as is promised by Sanders...and they didn't have a population that politicized it like ours does.

If you have realistic quick solutions, I'd love to hear them. But I don't see any. A restoration and expansion of the ACA is the most likely way to get everyone covered, as per experts. Our nation can't wait around for another 40 years of "single payer or nothing."



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Perhaps you can direct us to the part of the Constitution that speaks of the voiding of mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #1
See citations here: lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #9
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No problem. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #15
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I don't know about voided, but there is this.. safeinOhio Jul 2020 #3
YUP! It's in there in black and white. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #10
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Easiest solution ... dawg Jul 2020 #5
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Should they be allowed to steal a seat on the court without consequence? dawg Jul 2020 #8
If, god forbid, Trump wins another term, you and everyone else here Calista241 Jul 2020 #14
We also need a secure majority in congress. The legislation must originate from the House ehrnst Jul 2020 #24
Okay - explain a method that accomplished those things that can be applied to Judicial Appointments brooklynite Jul 2020 #6
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Ah, I like the cut of your jib, Atticus. PatrickforO Jul 2020 #18
So why hasn't it been done? It was first brought up in 1971. ehrnst Jul 2020 #21
We've argued about this before. PatrickforO Jul 2020 #33
So basically you're admitting that it's not that easy. ehrnst Jul 2020 #34
A lot of moving parts. The court has been packed by McConnell and his criminal henchmen. PatrickforO Jul 2020 #37
"To the left" of what in healthcare? The ACA? ehrnst Jul 2020 #38
Gorsuch and beer bong are probably done deals. plimsoll Jul 2020 #19
If McTurtle would have scheduled a vote on Garland, they could have voted him down. MichMan Jul 2020 #28
Yes, but we be rid of beer bong. plimsoll Jul 2020 #29
How? MichMan Jul 2020 #30
Merrick Garland would have been in that seat. plimsoll Jul 2020 #31
OK, so if we remove Gorsuch and Kavanaugh prior to January, who chooses their replacement? ehrnst Jul 2020 #20
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