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In reply to the discussion: My wish is that this election will bury Republicans so deep... [View all]Hortensis
(58,785 posts)17. I'd be satisfied with a crash strong enough to force
big changes by those capable of shame at what the right has come to. That must include ending their disastrous alliance with indecent and traitorous zealots and either ejecting those who won't adjust from their tribe or forming a new one (a new party perhaps) without them. But, one thing's sure, there will be a rest of their lives also.
Btw, here's a link to an essay by Bill Kristol in The Bulwark. He speculates about 6 possible directions the once-his-party might finish self destructing, but that's strikingly all. He doesn't guess which.
Is the Republican Party a Lost Cause? And if so, should it be?
... On the other hand, after November 3, the GOP may stopmore or less suddenly, and more or less convincinglybeing Donald Trumps party. It might even stop being the party of Trumpism.
On the third hand, it will still have been Donald Trumps party. And that moral and political stain cant, and shouldnt, simply be wished away.
... But on the fifth hand, wishing for a sound conservative party wont make it so. And even fighting for one may not make it so, either. It may be that American conservatism has been so damaged that a new centerwhether as a party or some sort of cross-partisan coalitionis a better way to go than trying to save the GOP.
On the sixth hand (I know, were in octopus territory here): Maybe we should root for the GOP to be salvaged, while acknowledging it wont be saved by people like us. After all, if the GOP is to be rebuilt, it will likely have to be done by people who have been complicit in Trumpism. ... the Republican apostates will never be forgiven. Not because we were wrong about Trump, but because we were right. But it may suggest that the attempt is less likely to happen. And perhaps less likely to succeed. ...
https://thebulwark.com/can-the-republican-party-be-saved/
... On the other hand, after November 3, the GOP may stopmore or less suddenly, and more or less convincinglybeing Donald Trumps party. It might even stop being the party of Trumpism.
On the third hand, it will still have been Donald Trumps party. And that moral and political stain cant, and shouldnt, simply be wished away.
... But on the fifth hand, wishing for a sound conservative party wont make it so. And even fighting for one may not make it so, either. It may be that American conservatism has been so damaged that a new centerwhether as a party or some sort of cross-partisan coalitionis a better way to go than trying to save the GOP.
On the sixth hand (I know, were in octopus territory here): Maybe we should root for the GOP to be salvaged, while acknowledging it wont be saved by people like us. After all, if the GOP is to be rebuilt, it will likely have to be done by people who have been complicit in Trumpism. ... the Republican apostates will never be forgiven. Not because we were wrong about Trump, but because we were right. But it may suggest that the attempt is less likely to happen. And perhaps less likely to succeed. ...
https://thebulwark.com/can-the-republican-party-be-saved/
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I don't get the 40% approval rating. Jimmy Carter had a 34% approval at this time in his campaign
mucifer
Jul 2020
#1
This is the absolute truth. One of my contractor friends can tell when other tradesmen are listening
Evolve Dammit
Jul 2020
#26
Every time the GOP has lost a presidential election or taken a drubbing in Congressional elections..
Jedi Guy
Jul 2020
#35
Jedi Guy, I think it's because people with money know that republicans can be so easily bought
BComplex
Jul 2020
#46
Yep. Meme is; Dems are "tax and spend liberals". But Republicans are "....?"???
lostnfound
Jul 2020
#16
Dems "tax and spend" they say, so say Republicans are "fleece it and forget it"
sanatanadharma
Jul 2020
#29
Because the six companies that own 92% of the media in this country are right wingers?
BComplex
Jul 2020
#47
That's my personal bet, that the GOP fractures after they take a beating in November.
Jedi Guy
Jul 2020
#36
That is a major key to turning our country around. If you have these major platforms for
BComplex
Jul 2020
#67
I would hope they get buried so deep that it will take archeologist to find the remains in 1000 yrs.
usaf-vet
Jul 2020
#15
Sadly, I think repuke-style defectoids & regressoids have been with us since the dawn of our time,
NBachers
Jul 2020
#24
I take your point about Citizens United, but the voters still bear their share of the blame.
dawg
Jul 2020
#49
What we need is a large Democratic victory followed by a national modernization effort
Renew Deal
Jul 2020
#66