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Martin Eden

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102. That ambush immediately turned me off to Kamala Harris

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 01:45 PM

Jul 2020

I understand that for others to have a chance in a crowded field, undermining Joe Biden was necessary politically -- but it was an unfair and unwarranted attack. Whether Senator Harris shows "remorse" by admitting it was a low blow matters not a whit to me.

I'm looking for two things in the VP selection:

1) Help win (or do no harm) in the general election & down ticket races (compared to the other VP candidates).

2) Qualified to be Commander In Chief if (God forbid) something happens to Joe.

I think Susan Rice is easily the best choice for #2.

Hard to say for #1.

I think BENGHAZI is a big fat nothingburger for swing voters. They would be much more wary of Harris in the Oval Office. However, the Senator might be better at getting out the vote.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] left-of-center2012 Jul 2020 OP

No one will be 100% pure. Ever. Just pick who you can work with, Joe... Hekate Jul 2020 #1

The selection seems to be heating up. Sen. Dodd is on Biden's vetting Hortensis Jul 2020 #66

Interesting. I have been thinking that the VP has to be at a lockstep with him question everything Jul 2020 #118

Warren objected to his worst policies JonLP24 Jul 2020 #170

And that is good advice...How are you? Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #156

I'm doing okay, thanks. I needed yesterday to sit with it, and all of you helped. Hekate Jul 2020 #167

Harris would not be my choice Sherman A1 Jul 2020 #2

I remember watching that debate and thinking that she punched herself in the face HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #3

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama butted heads in the 2008 primary. Aristus Jul 2020 #4

Yes, I remember how they went after one another. Kamala is absolutely right - it's politics. Talitha Jul 2020 #27

Yes But he didn't put her on the ticket Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #33

However, he did not pick her as his vp. He picked someone helpisontheway Jul 2020 #131

Assuming Joe wins Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2020 #5

I had a thought last week, and I am liking Harris in Sec of State role. More power and visibility. LizBeth Jul 2020 #11

Why is Biden even relying on Dodd's opinion?! demmiblue Jul 2020 #6

Isn't Ana Navarro-Crdenas a Republican? left-of-center2012 Jul 2020 #12

Meh, I agree with her on this. demmiblue Jul 2020 #15

So do I. nt Mike 03 Jul 2020 #109

I trust Navarro's opinion of this more than Dodd's obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #73

She voted for Hillary and has been going after Trump. Dodd is going after Harris JI7 Jul 2020 #76

This in a nutshell obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #80

Yep, she's trying to stir chaos among Democrats by pushing this divisive racial/sexist angle maximusveritas Jul 2020 #164

Part of the vetting process. I would not choose Harris either...she gives us no states... Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #14

I agree with Navarro rusty fender Jul 2020 #105

Ugh Chris Dodd RhodeIslandOne Jul 2020 #166

Susan Rice checks every box. I believe she will be the one. Doodley Jul 2020 #7

agreed left-of-center2012 Jul 2020 #13

No- She has no political experience and why bring Benghazi back? Sure it was not her fault but it Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #18

Benghazi? Give me a break. Yeehah Jul 2020 #43

It doesn't matter they will use it. SlogginThroughIt Jul 2020 #49

Pretend scandals worked for the GOP in 2016 nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #52

So Democrats should make policy decisions factoring in fake scandals? Yeehah Jul 2020 #65

This is a VP decision and yes, absolutely past scandals, real or not, are part of it Arazi Jul 2020 #119

Duckworth is my choice also. She could take over if need be and would be an asset Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #139

Not policy decisions, just election strategy Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #133

Exactly right. One always has to consider the election part. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #138

It was against Clinton Bettie Jul 2020 #110

And that is exactly what would happen. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #140

Yep, Biden would be lost in the avalanche Bettie Jul 2020 #151

A pretend scandal that was used to bring Hillary down...and there is no reason to risk it... Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #136

I'm willing to bet that 2naSalit Jul 2020 #74

I have to laugh at anyone who cares about Benghazi or her son's politics Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #124

The GOP want her...Behghazi and the son giver them an opening which is stupid...I like her Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #141

Republicans will give plenty of thought to Behghazi in fact a Rice VP is what they want. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #137

In 2014, I would have agreed. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #148

agreed, but I also think Hillary was in part responsible for letting the GOP/Trump Doodley Jul 2020 #157

I don't blame Hillary as much for Benghazi as I do her e-mail server... Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #162

She took the punches well, but I only blame her for not punching back as hard. Doodley Jul 2020 #165

How many died in Benghazi? 4. How many from Covid USA? 150k (officially counted only) and rising. Doodley Jul 2020 #97

It give them a chance to change the subject...and no doubt there would be hearing in the Senate. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #143

She doesn't check every box. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #40

+1000 Very good synopsis. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #144

She will be a target for GOP attacks on Benghazi nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #50

Isn't her son a hard core Republican? redstateblues Jul 2020 #59

Yep. That's who we need right now. SKKY Jul 2020 #69

Crap article. "She had no remorse" is a misogynistic dog whistle chia Jul 2020 #8

is it misogyny? or is it white fragility? unblock Jul 2020 #22

To quote Zoidberg... tonedevil Jul 2020 #30

Thanks for saying this. phylny Jul 2020 #36

Exactly! His was a classic misogynist response to a strong woman. chia Jul 2020 #60

I agree. Happy Hoosier Jul 2020 #58

Appreciate it. I agree with everything you say here chia Jul 2020 #61

Agreed. I thought it sounded off too. n/t gollygee Jul 2020 #86

Nonsense. honest.abe Jul 2020 #9

True but Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #37

Barack Obama did mcar Jul 2020 #63

Yes he did Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #67

Worked out pretty well for him mcar Jul 2020 #68

And it worked out well for Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #82

Obama picked as his VP the one primary opponent who ms liberty Jul 2020 #83

True but honest.abe Jul 2020 #72

Agreed Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #84

No one is a perfect candidate. honest.abe Jul 2020 #85

Very true Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #87

Agreed. honest.abe Jul 2020 #107

Harris and Booker had every right and obligation to have this conversation. What I saw in this LizBeth Jul 2020 #10

And Biden has the right to not choose her. I predict it will not be Harris as she angered Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #20

White fragility... tonedevil Jul 2020 #31

Isn't that the truth? harumph Jul 2020 #75

+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #173

Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #46

Aren't we all Biden supporters at this point? BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #120

Jill Biden's input will weigh heavily on Joe's VP choice. Kamala's out. oasis Jul 2020 #101

I agree with all of this Bettie Jul 2020 #112

It was something. LizBeth Jul 2020 #116

It was a gimmick. She had shirts printed BEFORE the debate.. helpisontheway Jul 2020 #130

Keep in mind Bernie Bros are a myth JonLP24 Jul 2020 #172

I didn't like it, but I strongly believe Biden does not hold these things agaainst her or others. hlthe2b Jul 2020 #16

Sounds Like Politico's Getting Started On . . . . DarthDem Jul 2020 #17

Yes, indeed, that's Politico's MO. Lars39 Jul 2020 #21

I suggest you read up about Harris's time as AG and DA...it matters especially with the Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #23

I agree Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #42

Link to where she jailed the parents of truants? mcar Jul 2020 #111

Here Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #122

It clearly says that she didn't jail anyone for truancy mcar Jul 2020 #126

Still don't see a problem mcar Jul 2020 #127

Yes but others might Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #128

And you think "others" wouldn't have a problem mcar Jul 2020 #132

Yes they all have positives and negatives Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #134

That is exactly the point. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #146

John McCain learned that the hard way. Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #155

It is my opinion that her time As DA and AG ...won't discuss why...look it up is a problem for a Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #145

The truants were 600,000 elementary school kids whose parents womanofthehills Jul 2020 #117

Read the article I posted above Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #123

Do you understand how hard it is to be poor and working ...as a teacher I saw families who Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #147

Familiar DarthDem Jul 2020 #163

history is littered with presidential candidates picking veeps who have done much worse. unblock Jul 2020 #19

Kamala is a great Senator and I would vote for her if I lived in California happily. However, Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #24

i've never overly cared about veep selection. unblock Jul 2020 #26

I used to not care too, until Clinton picked Gore. Mike 03 Jul 2020 #38

No it's not Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #45

The party is united so there is no need of that...and if one was willing to do that...a Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #149

in fact, veeps are often chosen based on their ability to deliver the stinging attacks unblock Jul 2020 #25

Good grief greenjar_01 Jul 2020 #28

Wow an old white guy doesn't like Bettie Jul 2020 #29

Right. LizBeth Jul 2020 #48

She had no remorse," Dodd told a longtime Biden supporter and donor, who relayed the exchange to in2herbs Jul 2020 #32

The confidential source was the "longtime Biden supporter" former9thward Jul 2020 #161

Harris been my first choice for VP as she is the strongest one beachbumbob Jul 2020 #34

Kamala is probably my second favorite pick, but it's up to Joe. Mike 03 Jul 2020 #35

"Nevertheless, she persisted" nt Baltimike Jul 2020 #39

I think those behind this remorseless hit should be ashamed of it. Hortensis Jul 2020 #41

+1 Docreed2003 Jul 2020 #98

What was she supposed to say "Oh gee I'm so sorry"? jcgoldie Jul 2020 #44

Yes that is exactly what she should have said; it was a cold calculated attack after she agreed not Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #150

It was the primaries jcgoldie Jul 2020 #159

Elizabeth Warren pattyloutwo Jul 2020 #47

One way or another MoonlitKnight Jul 2020 #93

+1 flamingdem Jul 2020 #96

Kamala Harris is my VP choice. I think she'd also make a great AG. PTWB Jul 2020 #51

Harris has other issues Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #53

'She had no remorse' I like her even more than I already did. nt LexVegas Jul 2020 #54

Well, hopefully we will know by this Saturday nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #55

She was playing for keeps. But it wasn't personal Happy Hoosier Jul 2020 #56

Harris has high visibility Zorro Jul 2020 #57

My own "spidey" senses are the same as yours, AND reports say that ... MFGsunny Jul 2020 #115

Chris Dodd is a lobbyist for the movie industry mcar Jul 2020 #62

Exactly, Dodd needs to go . This is so fucking unprofessional JI7 Jul 2020 #78

THIS obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #81

BIDEN/HARRIS 2020! MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #64

So they decided to write an article based in what people who don't want her to be vp say ? JI7 Jul 2020 #70

She's correct - it is just politics. harumph Jul 2020 #71

Seems Petty. -NT- jayfish Jul 2020 #77

Still hoping for Tammy Duckworth obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #79

I'd prefer her as well. BusyBeingBest Jul 2020 #129

She is my pic too...I love Tammy. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #152

Kamala's attack on Joe was ill-advised lanlady Jul 2020 #88

ELIZABETH WARREN***ELIZABETH WARREN***ELIZABETH WARREN***ELIZABETH WARREN BComplex Jul 2020 #89

Hands and away the best choice. Harris as Sec of State. LizBeth Jul 2020 #92

Agree! Biden/Warren flamingdem Jul 2020 #95

I agree Bettie Jul 2020 #114

Misogyny mcar Jul 2020 #90

+1 crickets Jul 2020 #99

Agreed mcar Jul 2020 #113

Misogyny, part II mcar Jul 2020 #91

👆truth Docreed2003 Jul 2020 #100

Her statements were true. Bused for a better education. Biden was against busing. SharonAnn Jul 2020 #94

The problem was that Harris is also against busing as she was forced to admit. It was a failed Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #153

That ambush immediately turned me off to Kamala Harris Martin Eden Jul 2020 #102

I wouldn't object but I don't see what it would add. ucrdem Jul 2020 #103

Why TF is Chris Dodd, a lobbyist with a sordid reputation on gender equality tishaLA Jul 2020 #104

"Gimmick"? Post debate sales of, "I was that little girl" t-shirts became oasis Jul 2020 #106

I believe Harris will be the pick and... jcgoldie Jul 2020 #108

I hope not because the GOP will use her time as AG and DA to cut her to pieces... Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #154

Dont think thats a winning issue for GOP no matter who the candidate is jcgoldie Jul 2020 #158

Swing voters would detect same thing and spit out Kamala Harris without second thought Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #121

It's going to be Susan Rice. hamsterjill Jul 2020 #125

Nope, Rs will beat her and Biden over the head with "Benghazi" DeminPennswoods Jul 2020 #160

Even if you know for a stone cold fact who Biden's pick is, don't post it here. It's not worth it. DFW Jul 2020 #135

Meh, so says an anonymous donor and Biden supporter. Fuck them for smearing Harris anonymously aikoaiko Jul 2020 #142

Remorse? She was exactly correct radius777 Jul 2020 #168

Thought we might avoid the shit show this cycle. Iggo Jul 2020 #169

This primary was odd JonLP24 Jul 2020 #171