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Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
77. Here is the problem I see. I would not suggest self delete, but editing yes.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 03:20 PM
Jul 2020

There may be better ways to help the people who need it etc, etc... The problem is that you didn't really give any specifics, at least not in your original post.

First, your thread title makes a very big assumption, "A second stimulus check is usless". It can be interpreted as a judgment and by the looks of the response, many people took it as such. The number of times you had to write, "Re-read my post" also says something about the clarity. There will always be some misunderstanding and different interpretations, but when a sizable chunk of people are responding in the same way, it might be what or how you wrote the post rather than how people are reading it.

The way I read your post, you say that "we have to help the people who cannot work now, and the small businesses that remain closed..." I understand that you are saying that money should be focused on those who are hardest hit by the situation. I agree that those who are suffering the most should get the most help.

The problem is determining who is "suffering the most". The airlines were hemorrhaging money and no one was flying. There was money set aside for them, but then they use it for stock buybacks and not to pay to retain staff. SO, they are definitely suffering, but they used any stimulus to keep their shareholders and executives paid, but not the average worker. Same with many other corporations who received money.

People are absolutely using the money that they get to "stimulate the economy" in their way. People above a certain threshold of money (I am not sure what that threshold is but I can tell you it isn't 50,000 or even 100,000) do not need a 1200 dollar check, but depending on where you live, it can pay partial rent, food, or some other necessity.

If you want to make the argument that there are better ways to help people, then make the case. Make suggestions about what can be done.

For example, have everyone register with their local government to discuss their economic situation. If they are struggling to make rent because they have been laid off or have reduced hours and salary, then they need to list it. Tell the city/county/state government who your landlord is and the fed/state/local government can work out a way to provide at least half, if not all of your rent for a few months. Another example that may help many middle class families, forgive student loan debt. Not having to shell out 1000+ dollars a month would help people to prioritize spending and saving.

Finally, like I mentioned, it isn't just people who are not working and business that are closed by health necessity that are struggling. People who make good money typically, have taken reductions in pay. I have personally taken a substantial pay cut, though I still have my job. My wife who was also making decent money, has been laid off. We are doing better than many people, but to say that we do not need assistance and the implication that only the people who are completely shut down who should get help, feels like a judgement. Everyone, except the wealthiest among us, are suffering through this situation.

You are right that the GOP's efforts in this process are not in good faith. They are looking at this from a primarily if not completely political stand point. They are trying to buy votes. Democrats however, are trying to distribute money equitably in a complex situation. The problem is that people with a lot of money, have more resources to lobby and procure even more money and often do not care about the average citizen until the pain trickles up to them, which takes quite awhile.

We do need a way to better target and distribute financial assistance. What are your suggestions?

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Creditors, utilities, landlords, insurance companies, etc. Nature Man Jul 2020 #1
Which is why I said edhopper Jul 2020 #2
Those of us who were laid off need it MoonlitKnight Jul 2020 #11
Yup Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #12
Give it to someone who needs it Nature Man Jul 2020 #14
Do you understand edhopper Jul 2020 #21
Yes MoonlitKnight Jul 2020 #60
Agree that edhopper Jul 2020 #61
There are probably people who work (usually hard) and are still poor Nature Man Jul 2020 #13
That is a larger income inequity problem that needfs to addressed edhopper Jul 2020 #25
they piss away more Nature Man Jul 2020 #27
Those who are still working need this money because they need to be prepared in case totodeinhere Jul 2020 #84
Chump change. peacefreak2.0 Jul 2020 #3
Useless? PTWB Jul 2020 #4
I said help those who lost income edhopper Jul 2020 #26
Which businesses are closed? PTWB Jul 2020 #38
Most restaurants edhopper Jul 2020 #40
They're not closed here. PTWB Jul 2020 #52
New York City edhopper Jul 2020 #62
So because some restaurants are closed in NYC... PTWB Jul 2020 #64
Aren't the restaurants open for take out or delivery? EllieBC Jul 2020 #81
But that's just it -- most small businesses Codeine Jul 2020 #54
I agree with you mostly except about your sound system. totodeinhere Jul 2020 #85
I love a good 2 channel system for music listening. PTWB Jul 2020 #87
A stimulus check won't entirely solve the problem, however Americans will be able to buy food dlk Jul 2020 #5
We also need to make sure that children who were getting school lunches and breakfasts totodeinhere Jul 2020 #86
If it staves off hunger or keeps one housed I'm all for it MaryMagdaline Jul 2020 #6
Read my OP again. edhopper Jul 2020 #29
We make ours turn into political contributions beachbumbob Jul 2020 #7
Not really. I guarantee that I will spend it MineralMan Jul 2020 #8
Apparently, you don't owe back rent and remain fully employed?... NeoGreen Jul 2020 #9
Read my OP again. edhopper Jul 2020 #28
For us, it will be for food. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #10
Read my OP again. edhopper Jul 2020 #30
I'm guessing most people wouldn't have any trouble finding someplace to spend it gollygee Jul 2020 #15
Read my OP again. edhopper Jul 2020 #31
Nowhere to spend it? Codeine Jul 2020 #16
Exactly. You can also order restaurant delivery to your home if you so desire. LisaL Jul 2020 #18
How does giving money to Amazon edhopper Jul 2020 #32
Not just Amazon. Codeine Jul 2020 #41
Small businesses have online stores, do curbside pickup JI7 Jul 2020 #75
Nowhere to spend? LisaL Jul 2020 #17
No where to spend it? Ohiogal Jul 2020 #19
Read my OP again. edhopper Jul 2020 #33
You're predicating your argument Codeine Jul 2020 #45
Anyone who can't use it, please send to me...guarantee to find lots of places to spend it. jmg257 Jul 2020 #20
"no where to spend it?" You can't be serious. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #22
Read my OP again. edhopper Jul 2020 #34
I bought a very badly needed new laptop with my last stimulus check. Initech Jul 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jul 2020 #57
We are in our 70's and raising two teen boys. One is starting college. Believe me, we can use it and OregonBlue Jul 2020 #24
What you argue about is (Read my OP) be like.... Boxerfan Jul 2020 #35
If you are talking about edhopper Jul 2020 #36
I see you have edited your OP. MineralMan Jul 2020 #37
I've actually read they won't be lowering the income requirements this time sweetloukillbot Jul 2020 #43
Speak for yourself---you must be well off. panader0 Jul 2020 #39
I can certainly use another stimulus check sweetloukillbot Jul 2020 #42
I know I do not need a check RhodeIslandOne Jul 2020 #44
Lol. Ed, I got your point as soon as I saw your name as author. Hortensis Jul 2020 #46
Are you saying I am overly pessimistic? edhopper Jul 2020 #47
Yes. But you have a sense of humor, so you're probably sane. planetc Jul 2020 #48
Would you take out more edhopper Jul 2020 #49
They already gave me $1200, because I'm retired and my income falls below their level. planetc Jul 2020 #65
I can definitely use it immediately. xmas74 Jul 2020 #50
The $1200 goes right back into the economy. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jul 2020 #56
Not if the businesses that need it edhopper Jul 2020 #72
Walk a mile in someone else's shoes that are hurting for money. shockey80 Jul 2020 #53
Shoes should never be hurting for money. Codeine Jul 2020 #55
And they should be helped edhopper Jul 2020 #70
I'll take it if you don't want it Polybius Jul 2020 #58
It's not useless, I need it to repair my hot tub Polybius Jul 2020 #59
Either this is a parody or you really need to self delete! nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #63
Nope edhopper Jul 2020 #67
LOL, 2 Recs should tell you something! nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #73
Here is the problem I see. I would not suggest self delete, but editing yes. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #77
They just need to extend the CARES package until the pandemic subsides. peacebuzzard Jul 2020 #66
Exactly edhopper Jul 2020 #68
people with enough money say things like this bigtree Jul 2020 #69
People with enough money should say edhopper Jul 2020 #71
I have enough money, and I freely admit that I'll be happy to take another $1200. Dial H For Hero Jul 2020 #76
That looks like a great trip! Luciferous Jul 2020 #89
Well, when they SPEND IT it does go to people and businesses! Get it?????????? USALiberal Jul 2020 #78
it's stimulus bigtree Jul 2020 #79
The hard part is determining how much is enough money. totodeinhere Jul 2020 #88
I am a small business owner and stimulus checks will help a lot more than JI7 Jul 2020 #74
We spent our first check on a new hot water heater and some other home improvements. Luciferous Jul 2020 #80
We also made an effort to spend the money "locally" Steelrolled Jul 2020 #83
Yeah, our money went to a local HVAC company and a plumber. I'm sure they appreciated the business, Luciferous Jul 2020 #90
Not "useless," but pretty damn close to it. GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #82
The cap for the new $1200 is $40k in income per year. n/t KWR65 Jul 2020 #91
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