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Zalatix

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20. OUCH. Fucking ouch. Really?

Reply to BuelahWitch (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:00 PM

Sep 2012

That's even bigger than the numbers I got. For someone earning 20K a year that's devastating.

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will the ACA tax report hurt POTUS? [View all] GusFring Sep 2012 OP

No. sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #1

I believe Tom Hartman said if you make under $40000. newfie11 Sep 2012 #2

Per Kaiser calculator...family of 4 @$40,000 headed by 50 year old would still pay $2,000 for prem dkf Sep 2012 #3

We're talking gross correct? BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #19

I assume so. dkf Sep 2012 #33

Compared with a premium of $16,858 under the current system. dawg Sep 2012 #36

They probably aren't getting it under the current system. dkf Sep 2012 #45

That does not seem to be a bad deal karynnj Sep 2012 #38

If you just paid $100 to see a doc when you visit it's cheaper though. dkf Sep 2012 #46

I heard somewhere that if you start to make more than that they will collect back money? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #4

From the calculator it looks like as long as you use the exchange you will pay something. dkf Sep 2012 #5

so even making under $40,000 you still have to pay? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #7

All the inputs I plugged into the calculator showed payments. dkf Sep 2012 #11

yeah I just did... im kinda shocked awwwsheet Sep 2012 #15

Using the same tool and putting in those inputs and age 35 - karynnj Sep 2012 #39

That's kinda the point of the exchanges. jeff47 Sep 2012 #66

Medicaid expansion won't happen in places like Texas or Florida. Zalatix Sep 2012 #84

Just describing how it's supposed to work. The real way it's going to work jeff47 Sep 2012 #85

I sure hope single payer is done by somewhere close to 2014 Zalatix Sep 2012 #86

That problem is the engine that will power further reform. jeff47 Sep 2012 #87

If you already have insurance through your employer maryellen99 Sep 2012 #10

If you are offered insurance through your employer you aren't eligible for the subsidy. dkf Sep 2012 #12

You don't have to pay because you are insured. karynnj Sep 2012 #40

Thank you nt maryellen99 Sep 2012 #53

I put in $20000 BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #16

The problem is this tax cost to all is not explained to everyone. newfie11 Sep 2012 #18

Not a tax that is the cost of the premium to get the health insurence karynnj Sep 2012 #41

Yes newfie11 Sep 2012 #80

OUCH. Fucking ouch. Really? Zalatix Sep 2012 #20

Well, I'll be 51 in 2014 so maybe that's why it's higher BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #25

Well, you could always get rid of your TV, internet, car, electricity Zalatix Sep 2012 #43

For which state? Doesn't it vary by state? nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #78

Those 6 million have no idea they will be paying til they do their taxes for 2014. dkf Sep 2012 #6

People Should Pay for Their Healthcare Yavin4 Sep 2012 #8

They can do that because they have cost controls. We don't and we don't want any. dkf Sep 2012 #9

TOTALLY AGREE!!! nt newfie11 Sep 2012 #21

How about higher taxes on the rich instead? Zalatix Sep 2012 #23

Higher Taxes on the Rich Won't Be Sufficient Yavin4 Sep 2012 #49

What makes you say that? The rich SHOULD pay for people's health care. Zalatix Sep 2012 #52

Raising Taxes on the Wealthy Won't Raise Enough Revenue to pay for Single Payer Yavin4 Sep 2012 #54

You keep saying that but it's simply not true. And... giving the rich a political wedge issue? Zalatix Sep 2012 #58

I'm not Appeasing The Rich Yavin4 Sep 2012 #64

Who CARES if the rich have some stupid wedge issue. Zalatix Sep 2012 #69

Corporations dont pay taxes because they pass Missycim Sep 2012 #57

"Corporations dont pay taxes because they pass it on to us." Bullshit. Really. Zalatix Sep 2012 #59

Everyone should chip in to pay for everyone's health care. Including those who don't have ins. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #79

It's not a good thing when you are FORCED to get it at that price and you're working and poor. Zalatix Sep 2012 #81

A "national sales tax" is highly regressive, and would hit the poor and middle class the hardest NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #62

VAT Taxes Is How Europeans Pay for their Social Programs Yavin4 Sep 2012 #65

6 million deadbeats who want us to pay for their healthcare at the ER. Fuck 'em. It only applies scheming daemons Sep 2012 #13

Mitt Romney, is that you? BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #26

Working poor aren't subject to the mandate ("tax"). scheming daemons Sep 2012 #28

"Working poor aren't subject to the mandate"? Factually, TRAGICALLY incorrect. Zalatix Sep 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Sep 2012 #67

Your interpretation of affordable and theirs may not mesh with budgets TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #27

ps. Thanks for your concern scheming daemons Sep 2012 #14

6 million people is a drop in the bucket for a country of over 300 million JaneyVee Sep 2012 #17

To hell with the people stuck on the margins? Zalatix Sep 2012 #22

What margins? JaneyVee Sep 2012 #24

Those that decided to put themselves there, why, yes, fuck 'em. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #29

yeah, right awwwsheet Sep 2012 #30

Enjoy your stay. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #34

Guess they need to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps," eh? BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #32

Guess you don't know what this is all about, either. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #35

Apparently you don't realize that the problem goes WELL beyond the rich freeloaders. Zalatix Sep 2012 #51

When they get the bill from the hospital for a half a million, that will then be their problem, too. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #55

People get bills like that when they're INSURED. Zalatix Sep 2012 #61

Forget it, you obviously never read the provisions under the ACA. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #74

Keep those corporate insurance company profits flowing! Zalatix Sep 2012 #83

"Pay up, freeloader." Nice! nt Romulox Sep 2012 #42

"Pay up freeloader" is as inaccurate as it is insensitive and oafish. Zalatix Sep 2012 #89

And for those who are in their 40s making $20K a year stuck with $80 a month to shell out? Zalatix Sep 2012 #44

Give me their alternatives. Should they then gamble and do without health care? Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #48

So that's your argument? Go without the basics in life or go without health care? Zalatix Sep 2012 #50

I lived on far, far less money than that for some time in my life. Please don't make assumptions. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #56

$20,000 is NOTHING nowdays. Really, you don't know what you're talking about. Zalatix Sep 2012 #60

Me- Single father with three minor children, 1998 1040 wages, $18,765.09. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #75

You're making a fool of YOURSELF now. Zalatix Sep 2012 #82

Perhaps you should try living on 20K a year while adding a $80 monthly bill to your budget. Chan790 Sep 2012 #63

As a matter of fact, I did, and I couldn't make it. I went deep into debt over that and had to beg. Zalatix Sep 2012 #70

You're living in a dream world if you think single payer SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #68

When these added expenses hit the working poor you will regret that you said these things. Zalatix Sep 2012 #72

Stop lying - no one here is playing violins for the rich SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #73

Stop denying it. You've got people here yapping about "wedge issues". Zalatix Sep 2012 #88

The ACA doesn't force anyone into a govt ins. program. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #76

btw I like your user name! awwwsheet Sep 2012 #31

So? Zoeisright Sep 2012 #37

What if most of your income comes from a privately-funded disability plan? Does this income count? IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Sep 2012 #71

Not.a.tax Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #77