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Historic NY

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34. Being the north the institution was treated a bit differently....still sugar coated at times.
Sun Aug 2, 2020, 12:49 PM
Aug 2020

Abolitionists, underground railroad. I've seen instances where elders referred to slaves as servants here. I instantly snap back at them. There is a lot of misplaced sentiments or shame connected to it and rightfully so. We don't have any known descendants of slave owners left but we do have some of the slave descendants. NY began manumitting slaves before 1800, I have transcribed manumits from the town records, oddly enough in many cases they were usually given a stake. Inventories of owners that died along with wills provide some clues to the institution here. In some a young female or so would remain until the death of a spouse. My city colleague and myself never shy from the stain of slavery, don't celebrate it, but we are able to pull individuals from that past. From revolutionary war soldiers, to prosperous builders, to endeared free persons in the community. The slave turned M-E preacher, Rev. William Seymour 1786-1847 shunned by whites at first, but embraced in the end. He has one of the largest tombstones in the M-E church graveyard. In the 1750's we had a public school here, young black children were taught at the end of the day when others left. SUNY University of NY at John Jay has methodically worked on a slave/owner database. There was a scourge of slavery it wasn't all peaches and cream either. We have collections of runaway notices. Indentured servitude is seldom talked about also, selling yourself out to learn a trade. Another form was being sold off for welfare reasons, being too poor or infirmed, orphaned etc. the community would find someone to take them for expenses. Social welfare system wasn't exactly a workhouse, but people were expect to help contribute to their care.Its interesting to see how people dickered to get an increase in monies from the town coffers.

In 1799 NY passed a bill ordering the gradual emancipation of slavery, by 1817 it became a law that it would by gone by 1827. The worst of the worst owners scrambled to sell off their slaves...I found a so called respected Dr. in the western part of the county trying to get rid of his. The first census of 1790 showed a number of free black men in town. I think that the main reason I see the number of slaves dwindling in my town were from the fact that it was the heart of Presbyterianism and Methodism with strong preachers in the pulpit and community from 1760's forward.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/history-slavery-ny-examined-through-runaways-notices ]

https://nyslavery.commons.gc.cuny.edu/]


I would recommend Professor Gates program on Reconstruction its 4hrs on PBS. Its jaw dropping what went on in the south, and still goes on in places and spirit today.

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I graduated from HS in VA HAB911 Aug 2020 #1
I wonder what the teacher's reason for that was? brush Aug 2020 #3
It wasn't much of a mystery to the entire class, lol HAB911 Aug 2020 #5
Sorry, maybe it still early. What's the diff between the war between... brush Aug 2020 #7
To us HAB911 Aug 2020 #12
"Civil War" implies that the war was between factions in one country. Mariana Aug 2020 #13
++++ HAB911 Aug 2020 #15
Ok, now I get it. Oops, a light bulb in this room just went out. brush Aug 2020 #22
In the south, most students were taught it was the War of Northern Aggression. yardwork Aug 2020 #11
there you go! HAB911 Aug 2020 #14
That's like calling WWII the "War of British Agression" DBoon Aug 2020 #37
My eighth grade history teacher called it "The War of Northern Aggression" csziggy Aug 2020 #18
Surprised it wasn't AleksS Aug 2020 #26
In Michigan DownriverDem Aug 2020 #27
And generations of white students got a similar version of stories... brush Aug 2020 #2
#blackLivesMatter riversedge Aug 2020 #4
Check this out - Top private schools plan to 'decolonise' syllabuses and reconsider cultures malaise Aug 2020 #6
Is the slave trade covered well in Jamaican schools? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #40
Not as much as we'd like it but it is covered from our malaise Aug 2020 #42
As a student in Virginia I remember this spin in the 50s/60s Yonnie3 Aug 2020 #8
American history has been largely white washed... Wounded Bear Aug 2020 #9
Many of us were taught versions of these lies. We must confront them. yardwork Aug 2020 #10
Who doesn't remember the 'they were well-treated' tropes sandensea Aug 2020 #16
I Don't RobinA Aug 2020 #19
You're lucky sandensea Aug 2020 #20
I was taught this in Northern Ohio, around 1970 Auggie Aug 2020 #17
Where in Ohio? I grew up in Akron and didn't have this extreme slant. we can do it Aug 2020 #29
Cleveland suburbs (a caucasian bubble) ... Auggie Aug 2020 #32
Sounds like Parma we can do it Aug 2020 #36
Lot smaller. Very red. Always has been. Auggie Aug 2020 #41
It's not just slavery. Texas rewrote textbooks published across the nation to omit the Vietnam war dlk Aug 2020 #21
What has been perpetrated is "beyond words" leanforward Aug 2020 #23
Black scholars attempted to push for "multiculturalism" and curriculum changes BumRushDaShow Aug 2020 #24
The "Virginia History Trip" in the 4th grade was a big deal. ooky Aug 2020 #25
How long ago was that trip? n/t TheRickles Aug 2020 #30
Good question. I was in the 4th grade in 1962. ooky Aug 2020 #35
Like buying a little Nazi flag when visiting the Holocaust sites today...NOT... CTyankee Aug 2020 #33
German neo-nazis use the confederate battle flag as their emblem for that reason DBoon Aug 2020 #38
what does that tell you? CTyankee Aug 2020 #39
The text about Gen. Lee and his horse... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #28
This "polish on a turd" article reminds me of Tom Lehrer BobTheSubgenius Aug 2020 #31
Being the north the institution was treated a bit differently....still sugar coated at times. Historic NY Aug 2020 #34
Holy hell!! nt Duppers Aug 2020 #43
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