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SickOfTheOnePct

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68. You're living in a dream world if you think single payer

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 06:10 PM

Sep 2012

will only be paid for by the rich. Yes, the rich need to pay higher taxes, but it still won't be enough to cover single payer for everyone in the country.

Single payer, if it ever happens, will work like Medicare does now, IMO. Everyone that works will pay a payroll tax and there will be monthly premiums, most likely on a sliding scale, with only the very poorest paying no premium.

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will the ACA tax report hurt POTUS? [View all] GusFring Sep 2012 OP

No. sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #1

I believe Tom Hartman said if you make under $40000. newfie11 Sep 2012 #2

Per Kaiser calculator...family of 4 @$40,000 headed by 50 year old would still pay $2,000 for prem dkf Sep 2012 #3

We're talking gross correct? BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #19

I assume so. dkf Sep 2012 #33

Compared with a premium of $16,858 under the current system. dawg Sep 2012 #36

They probably aren't getting it under the current system. dkf Sep 2012 #45

That does not seem to be a bad deal karynnj Sep 2012 #38

If you just paid $100 to see a doc when you visit it's cheaper though. dkf Sep 2012 #46

I heard somewhere that if you start to make more than that they will collect back money? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #4

From the calculator it looks like as long as you use the exchange you will pay something. dkf Sep 2012 #5

so even making under $40,000 you still have to pay? awwwsheet Sep 2012 #7

All the inputs I plugged into the calculator showed payments. dkf Sep 2012 #11

yeah I just did... im kinda shocked awwwsheet Sep 2012 #15

Using the same tool and putting in those inputs and age 35 - karynnj Sep 2012 #39

That's kinda the point of the exchanges. jeff47 Sep 2012 #66

Medicaid expansion won't happen in places like Texas or Florida. Zalatix Sep 2012 #84

Just describing how it's supposed to work. The real way it's going to work jeff47 Sep 2012 #85

I sure hope single payer is done by somewhere close to 2014 Zalatix Sep 2012 #86

That problem is the engine that will power further reform. jeff47 Sep 2012 #87

If you already have insurance through your employer maryellen99 Sep 2012 #10

If you are offered insurance through your employer you aren't eligible for the subsidy. dkf Sep 2012 #12

You don't have to pay because you are insured. karynnj Sep 2012 #40

Thank you nt maryellen99 Sep 2012 #53

I put in $20000 BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #16

The problem is this tax cost to all is not explained to everyone. newfie11 Sep 2012 #18

Not a tax that is the cost of the premium to get the health insurence karynnj Sep 2012 #41

Yes newfie11 Sep 2012 #80

OUCH. Fucking ouch. Really? Zalatix Sep 2012 #20

Well, I'll be 51 in 2014 so maybe that's why it's higher BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #25

Well, you could always get rid of your TV, internet, car, electricity Zalatix Sep 2012 #43

For which state? Doesn't it vary by state? nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #78

Those 6 million have no idea they will be paying til they do their taxes for 2014. dkf Sep 2012 #6

People Should Pay for Their Healthcare Yavin4 Sep 2012 #8

They can do that because they have cost controls. We don't and we don't want any. dkf Sep 2012 #9

TOTALLY AGREE!!! nt newfie11 Sep 2012 #21

How about higher taxes on the rich instead? Zalatix Sep 2012 #23

Higher Taxes on the Rich Won't Be Sufficient Yavin4 Sep 2012 #49

What makes you say that? The rich SHOULD pay for people's health care. Zalatix Sep 2012 #52

Raising Taxes on the Wealthy Won't Raise Enough Revenue to pay for Single Payer Yavin4 Sep 2012 #54

You keep saying that but it's simply not true. And... giving the rich a political wedge issue? Zalatix Sep 2012 #58

I'm not Appeasing The Rich Yavin4 Sep 2012 #64

Who CARES if the rich have some stupid wedge issue. Zalatix Sep 2012 #69

Corporations dont pay taxes because they pass Missycim Sep 2012 #57

"Corporations dont pay taxes because they pass it on to us." Bullshit. Really. Zalatix Sep 2012 #59

Everyone should chip in to pay for everyone's health care. Including those who don't have ins. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #79

It's not a good thing when you are FORCED to get it at that price and you're working and poor. Zalatix Sep 2012 #81

A "national sales tax" is highly regressive, and would hit the poor and middle class the hardest NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #62

VAT Taxes Is How Europeans Pay for their Social Programs Yavin4 Sep 2012 #65

6 million deadbeats who want us to pay for their healthcare at the ER. Fuck 'em. It only applies scheming daemons Sep 2012 #13

Mitt Romney, is that you? BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #26

Working poor aren't subject to the mandate ("tax"). scheming daemons Sep 2012 #28

"Working poor aren't subject to the mandate"? Factually, TRAGICALLY incorrect. Zalatix Sep 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Sep 2012 #67

Your interpretation of affordable and theirs may not mesh with budgets TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #27

ps. Thanks for your concern scheming daemons Sep 2012 #14

6 million people is a drop in the bucket for a country of over 300 million JaneyVee Sep 2012 #17

To hell with the people stuck on the margins? Zalatix Sep 2012 #22

What margins? JaneyVee Sep 2012 #24

Those that decided to put themselves there, why, yes, fuck 'em. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #29

yeah, right awwwsheet Sep 2012 #30

Enjoy your stay. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #34

Guess they need to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps," eh? BuelahWitch Sep 2012 #32

Guess you don't know what this is all about, either. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #35

Apparently you don't realize that the problem goes WELL beyond the rich freeloaders. Zalatix Sep 2012 #51

When they get the bill from the hospital for a half a million, that will then be their problem, too. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #55

People get bills like that when they're INSURED. Zalatix Sep 2012 #61

Forget it, you obviously never read the provisions under the ACA. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #74

Keep those corporate insurance company profits flowing! Zalatix Sep 2012 #83

"Pay up, freeloader." Nice! nt Romulox Sep 2012 #42

"Pay up freeloader" is as inaccurate as it is insensitive and oafish. Zalatix Sep 2012 #89

And for those who are in their 40s making $20K a year stuck with $80 a month to shell out? Zalatix Sep 2012 #44

Give me their alternatives. Should they then gamble and do without health care? Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #48

So that's your argument? Go without the basics in life or go without health care? Zalatix Sep 2012 #50

I lived on far, far less money than that for some time in my life. Please don't make assumptions. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #56

$20,000 is NOTHING nowdays. Really, you don't know what you're talking about. Zalatix Sep 2012 #60

Me- Single father with three minor children, 1998 1040 wages, $18,765.09. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #75

You're making a fool of YOURSELF now. Zalatix Sep 2012 #82

Perhaps you should try living on 20K a year while adding a $80 monthly bill to your budget. Chan790 Sep 2012 #63

As a matter of fact, I did, and I couldn't make it. I went deep into debt over that and had to beg. Zalatix Sep 2012 #70

You're living in a dream world if you think single payer SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #68

When these added expenses hit the working poor you will regret that you said these things. Zalatix Sep 2012 #72

Stop lying - no one here is playing violins for the rich SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #73

Stop denying it. You've got people here yapping about "wedge issues". Zalatix Sep 2012 #88

The ACA doesn't force anyone into a govt ins. program. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #76

btw I like your user name! awwwsheet Sep 2012 #31

So? Zoeisright Sep 2012 #37

What if most of your income comes from a privately-funded disability plan? Does this income count? IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Sep 2012 #71

Not.a.tax Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #77