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Nasruddin

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122. Yes and no

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:22 AM

Aug 2020

From outside, non NYC resident:
I think the lying could be guessed from his obvious malignant narcissism.
That it would be chronic, reflexive, and hemorrhagic - wow, surprise.

I didn't know that he was so stupid. I didn't get the Fran Lebowitz quote until recently
(https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/mar/20/fran-lebowitz-you-do-not-know-anyone-as-stupid-as-donald-trump)
But probably well known to NYCers.

I didn't know he was totally incompetent (this is different than stupid). He had a long history of problems but always seemed to come back. I didn't understand the role of enablers, especially for the very wealthy, until recently. Stuff I should've guessed or known, probably, but didn't.

I didn't expect him to be such a racist. He's from the north! But people who knew well his and his family's history in real estate probably could work that out.

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How many DUers knew for sure that we were dealing with a pathological LIAR [View all] malaise Aug 2020 OP

I worked in Manhattan in the 80s. phylny Aug 2020 #1

You knew he failed in every single business he has ever been in and worse, had stolen Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #4

Hahahahaha malaise Aug 2020 #10

You can't be a Con Man without Marks. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #44

That he did malaise Aug 2020 #46

He really did. Dorian Gray Aug 2020 #92

There's a book title... The Donald: the greatest con in history. ResistantAmerican17 Aug 2020 #60

I worked in another big financial center city and Ilsa Aug 2020 #88

I worked in Manhattan until 1980 musette_sf Aug 2020 #97

Yep, everyone in the NY metro area knew he was a complete jerk Jersey Devil Aug 2020 #113

Acually, knew it long before that! 2naSalit Aug 2020 #2

But did you think he would have been that brazen when everyone had seen the crowd malaise Aug 2020 #12

In hind sight... 2naSalit Aug 2020 #17

I blame the media for expecting him to ever be presidential malaise Aug 2020 #18

I second that! 2naSalit Aug 2020 #31

Shit yeah! I find myself screaming at the TV - "You're STILL giving him the benefit of the doubt???" calimary Aug 2020 #75

I grew up in a family company that did construction in NYC. I've known since 1983. Squinch Aug 2020 #3

But did you think he'd violate the Constitution and every norm and convention malaise Aug 2020 #21

Yes. I knew of a lot of people he ruined for kicks in those days. I knew he Squinch Aug 2020 #76

Me as well Meowmee Aug 2020 #102

I thought he would somehow create a world war. Instead we got Covid. Same Squinch Aug 2020 #103

Yep Meowmee Aug 2020 #125

I thought it would be bad but not this bad malaise Aug 2020 #118

That became obvious the day he said "Russia, if you're listening..." lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #117

My Spouse's Aunt Wellstone ruled Aug 2020 #5

You can't just leave it there! csziggy Aug 2020 #94

I worked in commercial real estate in the 80s UpInArms Aug 2020 #6

Those of us who spent time in the New York area knew him as a fraud from way back unblock Aug 2020 #7

It was well known in NH too for some reason... 2naSalit Aug 2020 #19

This is true. mnhtnbb Aug 2020 #119

I had one in my own family...couldn't miss it BUT Raven Aug 2020 #8

I knew he was a fucking narcissist in the 80s I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #9

I didn't KNOW the level of awful they'd get into, I under estimated that by tenfold! Brainfodder Aug 2020 #11

When have we not known? BigDemVoter Aug 2020 #13

I did..... even before that. sinkingfeeling Aug 2020 #14

We should have sensed it when Fred's rubber broke. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2020 #15

I knew handmade34 Aug 2020 #16

Lol, only for 30+ years. Trump's a disordered joke, Hortensis Aug 2020 #20

That was it wryter2000 Aug 2020 #22

That was the moment for me malaise Aug 2020 #24

I knew before then. Growing up in NYC area does that. JHB Aug 2020 #23

I gather that New Yorkers or others connected to someone there had a heads up malaise Aug 2020 #25

A lot of people were quite comfortable being fooled, and others simply didn't care JHB Aug 2020 #42

Same here even though i left the state in '76 eleny Aug 2020 #26

I used to see Trump from time to time as a guest Solly Mack Aug 2020 #27

I watched one episode malaise Aug 2020 #28

That was a massive flag that we were about to be screwed...reminds me of this spanone Aug 2020 #29

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Aug 2020 #32

Decades earlier when I followed the USFL Awsi Dooger Aug 2020 #30

There was a thread here yesterday complete with video of him boasting about the Tour de Trump malaise Aug 2020 #35

That bicycle race series ran through a lot of places in the country. Blue_true Aug 2020 #69

I found the crowd claim ... Whiskeytide Aug 2020 #33

Yes that was a serious warning of what they would try malaise Aug 2020 #34

Who does that little dork think he is? smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #61

Psych major. safeinOhio Aug 2020 #36

Me Too RobinA Aug 2020 #124

The birther fiasco convinced me. n/t sarge43 Aug 2020 #37

Well here we go again malaise Aug 2020 #41

Yup. Moron flew that crap flag at today's presser aka campaign speech. sarge43 Aug 2020 #49

If you had done a poll with the OP... Soph0571 Aug 2020 #38

Yes Hekate Aug 2020 #39

He's always been a clown shanti Aug 2020 #40

Here! lpbk2713 Aug 2020 #43

Heck, I knew that in the campaign, especially when he started going on about LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #45

I remember that malaise Aug 2020 #47

yes, especially because he was officially president LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #114

I could tell Trump was a pile Mr.Bill Aug 2020 #48

I suspected that he was a pathological liar before November 2016. Sloumeau Aug 2020 #50

I'm from South Jersey Cozmo Aug 2020 #51

S.V. Date sure knew IcyPeas Aug 2020 #52

I hope the look on his face is in one of the new ads malaise Aug 2020 #62

Always CloudWatcher Aug 2020 #53

Great post malaise Aug 2020 #55

Madman.. mountain grammy Aug 2020 #54

Born and raised in Manhattan..... secondwind Aug 2020 #56

I knew he was a liar before he ran.nt Progressive Jones Aug 2020 #57

I was sitting here watching the news that night 634-5789 Aug 2020 #58

Far earlier than that, even before he ran for President. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #59

I knew well before that moment. Just the sheer number of business people, towns, cities that he Blue_true Aug 2020 #63

Any one with a brain Traildogbob Aug 2020 #64

i did. barbtries Aug 2020 #65

Same here malaise Aug 2020 #73

I've maintained that since the night of the 2016 election also. llmart Aug 2020 #77

I hope I'm alive when that truth is unearthed malaise Aug 2020 #79

Me too. llmart Aug 2020 #84

I've been saying I hope I'm alive phylny Aug 2020 #120

Ha malaise Aug 2020 #121

Ever since I lived in NYC. smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #66

I live among people who think he's brilliant and the media reports of him lying are liberal garbage Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #67

What I don't get is how they ignore all the stories of robbing contractors malaise Aug 2020 #72

Malaise they don't believe the stories 1) because they never hear them, or Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #78

That is truly sad malaise Aug 2020 #81

They've been lied to for decades. Their world isn't real, it's what they've been told. Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #90

I've known it for decades relayerbob Aug 2020 #68

The orange menace has been lying all his life paleotn Aug 2020 #70

I did not know the extent of this menace. Not initially. warmfeet Aug 2020 #71

How could anyone believe otherwise? (nt) Paladin Aug 2020 #74

knew from the get go. Even before the get go mnmoderatedem Aug 2020 #80

And never knew how far the GOP would go to enable this asshole. malaise Aug 2020 #85

Yup, we immediately entered crazy land. Joinfortmill Aug 2020 #82

Long before then. Long, long before. nt reACTIONary Aug 2020 #83

A known failure, narcissist, largest rental discrimination plea in NY. Yeah we knew then what he is. Evolve Dammit Aug 2020 #86

I knew we were dealing with a pathological liar way before that. I remembered him pretending catbyte Aug 2020 #87

The New York press (particularly Vanity Fair) was on to his BS for decades. LuckyLib Aug 2020 #89

... catbyte Aug 2020 #91

THIS malaise Aug 2020 #93

Before the 2016 General election, my son and I had several discussions about Donald. dmr Aug 2020 #95

Yes it has been heartbreaking and the sabotage of the USPS malaise Aug 2020 #96

As a born & bred NYC'r... electric_blue68 Aug 2020 #98

I had an idea he was bad, but nothing could have prepared me for this malaise Aug 2020 #99

When trump & his insipid wife Cha Aug 2020 #100

A mystery to me: he was a scandal-magnet for many decades in the press and betsuni Aug 2020 #101

Yes and no Nasruddin Aug 2020 #122

Fran Lebowitz is the best. betsuni Aug 2020 #123

Oh, there have always been some... electric_blue68 Aug 2020 #128

How anyone didn't see him as a pathological liar back in the 80s is bewildering... tenderfoot Aug 2020 #104

I think the media was and is a major part of the problem malaise Aug 2020 #105

As far as I'm concerned the media built him tenderfoot Aug 2020 #109

⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Aug 2020 #106

I knew before he was elected went to High School and lived quite a few years in Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #107

Wow malaise Aug 2020 #112

Oh, so sorry to hear about... electric_blue68 Aug 2020 #129

To only see Trump, though, is to MISS THE PICTURE. Hortensis Aug 2020 #108

Excellent post malaise Aug 2020 #110

Yes. Massive use of lies, denigration, etc. are major fascistic Hortensis Aug 2020 #111

I expected that lie about the crowd to blow up in their faces so badly, they wouldn't try it again. gulliver Aug 2020 #115

THIS malaise Aug 2020 #116

Trust me. That's just the symptom. The pathology goes far deeper. nolabear Aug 2020 #126

Yep malaise Aug 2020 #127