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tavalon

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206. It is in aid of those of us who couldn't, when the chips were down,

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:06 AM

Sep 2012

go pragmatic. I have, and a tiny piece of my soul is the gold I pay for that. I've already done it, so it's too late for me. But for others who were going to sit it out because their idealism (boy, do I know that idealism intimately) just couldn't allow them to vote for another four years that might be just like the last four years, he gives them a patriotic out. Lend a hand to the disenfranchised.

Simple, elegant and beautiful. And since I seem to be the only person on this website who remembers exactly who this David Allen is and how damn patriotic he is, I'm not at all surprised that this is the solution he came up with for himself and offers to others.

I would have loved to have seen this three months ago. I haven't found a way yet to buy back the little pieces of my soul that this life requires. This could have saved me yet another piece.

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An open letter to folks like myself who cannot in good conscience vote for Obama [View all] Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 OP

Can you be more specific about what's ticking you off? Cooley Hurd Sep 2012 #1

I have discussed this at length Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #26

Thanks Kelvin. I agree with you regarding the list... Cooley Hurd Sep 2012 #44

I would think the CIA Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #55

My take: A vote for Obama is a huge vote against Citizens United. That's enough for me. nanabugg Sep 2012 #299

Barring a Constitutional amendment Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #342

misguided anger...a President can't do shit without cooperation from congress spanone Sep 2012 #2

so if presidents 'can't do shit', why the focus on presidential elections? HiPointDem Sep 2012 #17

money. Celebrities sell the party brand n/t librechik Sep 2012 #19

It's best if you learn how the US Government works and get taught recent history but you're uponit7771 Sep 2012 #66

that tone is sure to draw many disaffected to your cause HiPointDem Sep 2012 #70

Supreme Court nominations. GaYellowDawg Sep 2012 #77

From your posting history, I'm not sure you ever had "a cause", at least not one that.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #161

i'm a life-long democrat who has never voted republican. i post here to discuss policy issues that HiPointDem Sep 2012 #170

Yeah, and this is the part you forgot. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #171

i posted the entire statement. i forgot nothing. as i said, if you have a problem with me or my HiPointDem Sep 2012 #172

There is electing Democrats period, and there is electing Democrats comma eridani Sep 2012 #452

You don't know this person, clearly. tavalon Sep 2012 #178

Democrat is used as synonymous with "liberal" Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #346

Tell it to Jill Stein over at Green Underground. Oh wait...... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #348

I greatly resent being accused of "spouting" any GOP "meme" Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #124

It's sad that some self-described Liberals suffer self-defeatism. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #304

Face palm! Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #347

Well, blue neen Sep 2012 #373

How many different way can I say Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #376

Sworn statement? Strange, since I didn't say that you aren't voting. blue neen Sep 2012 #378

My profound apologies Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #383

No problem! blue neen Sep 2012 #388

re: Bush GaYellowDawg Sep 2012 #75

Bush got a bunch of tax cuts and wars Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #113

bush got no child left behind with increased spending to close schools, not to mention an entirely HiPointDem Sep 2012 #193

My objections Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #27

I respect your compromise here a lot CitizenPatriot Sep 2012 #112

Thank you for understanding Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #343

You're not misguided tavalon Sep 2012 #179

Then let's stop spending all this money and time on the Presidential election and start focusing on sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #74

Explain it to me tavalon Sep 2012 #182

Exactly Champion Jack Sep 2012 #250

Actually, reality is the converse. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #530

Thanks, Kelvin. You could also consider it a vote to try to help me gain equal rights. Zorra Sep 2012 #3

Yeah, what you said. Rmoney would be a disaster. Booster Sep 2012 #8

Yes and women too Freddie Sep 2012 #190

I will indeed Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #344

lol ~ Zorra Sep 2012 #420

Put that bottle down. Right now !! russspeakeasy Sep 2012 #4

Remember, we don't elect Kings. sadbear Sep 2012 #5

Once again, Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #30

he sets his own ed policy too. and pubs are happy to vote the money to destroy public education. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #35

But you're basis is without merit. sadbear Sep 2012 #47

I keep trying to avoid arguing this issue Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #56

President Obama doesn't govern is a vacuum. sadbear Sep 2012 #127

On issues directly under executive authority Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #349

You don't think so? sadbear Sep 2012 #368

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Sep 2012 #301

Reading comprehension is hard, huh? tavalon Sep 2012 #183

Short memory, huh? sadbear Sep 2012 #263

And that, in an elegant nutshell, is what the OP did tavalon Sep 2012 #394

Why do you insist on being insulting to everyone, even fellow DU'ers? sadbear Sep 2012 #399

I was wrong and self deleted, I'm sorry CreekDog Sep 2012 #516

They require congressional cooperation and YOU KNOW THAT uponit7771 Sep 2012 #67

Obama kept fighting for DOMA Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #352

Republicans did not choose his cabinet, he did. I hope this time he can find some sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #85

President Obama did run on a somewhat "post-partisan" platform. sadbear Sep 2012 #129

He did NOT run on indefinite detention. He did not run on protecting War Criminals sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #175

I'm with you all the way! tavalon Sep 2012 #186

He's actually going to have to tavalon Sep 2012 #185

Yep, if that slimy skunk or any of his ilk are involved in Obama's second term tavalon Sep 2012 #184

I am glad to see you will cast Obama PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #6

I'm not so sure Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #57

I will vote for him, despite extreme misgivings... immoderate Sep 2012 #7

I completely understand the pragamatic Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #32

Yeah, had I not already done the mental gymnastics to be okay with this, tavalon Sep 2012 #187

You got to read paragraph8, or is it 9?, so the guy will vote for Obama anyway..ok?? Stuart G Sep 2012 #9

probably better if he just dind't vote than to spread this negative crap JI7 Sep 2012 #18

Really? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #33

Who Needs Voter Disenfranchising otohara Sep 2012 #372

Yeah, I do! Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #387

Why? Why are people on a Democratic board advocating that people just 'stfu and vote'? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #80

Thank you for your eloquenrt summation Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #123

I couldn't agree more tavalon Sep 2012 #189

Giving people a reason TO vote is 'negative crap'?? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #318

LOL good thing you aren't working for the campaign Marrah_G Sep 2012 #488

Hah! brush Sep 2012 #10

I have never had an intention, desire or inclination to vote for Romney Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #58

The old 'if you oppose the Iraq War, you love Saddam' logic. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #321

Like I said brush Sep 2012 #330

A vote is a vote. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #335

Unfortunately there are many of us who will be voting with less enthusiasm this time. unapatriciated Oct 2012 #532

How do you know the purged voter would have voted for Obama? leftstreet Sep 2012 #11

The odds are very high that a purged voter would vote for Obama. Zorra Sep 2012 #21

Why weren't they purged in 2008? leftstreet Sep 2012 #24

there have been new attempts to purge more voters JI7 Sep 2012 #25

If you check the link to the RMS Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #34

Have you been in a cave? You do know what happened in the 2010 midterms, right? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #163

Oh, so you're saying none of us are disillusioned by what Obama promised and chose tavalon Sep 2012 #195

Here's what "Kelvin Mace" did in NC...Worked for Verified Voting! INFO: KoKo Sep 2012 #408

Uneducated tavalon Sep 2012 #194

You're funny tavalon Sep 2012 #192

What's the Obama Admin doing about this suppression issue? leftstreet Sep 2012 #285

Nothing tavalon Sep 2012 #386

So have you decided not to vote? Throwaway vote which means a vote for Romney? Whovian Sep 2012 #12

Please read what I said Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #36

it was not quite plain Whisp Sep 2012 #114

What part of Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #126

your title says something entirely different Whisp Sep 2012 #409

You need to read better RetroLounge Sep 2012 #419

What part of this was not clear? enlightenment Sep 2012 #362

It was very plain to anyone who read the entire post. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #406

Read to the end tavalon Sep 2012 #196

"please be as strident in pressing the President back to doing what is right" = dream on. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #13

*sigh* Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #59

Yes, release your inner Pollyana! It's helped me... SaveAmerica Sep 2012 #121

Obamacare is a significant change IMO treestar Sep 2012 #14

Obamacare is not what was promised: It is a windfall for the insurance compaines panzerfaust Sep 2012 #436

You see things in such a negative way treestar Sep 2012 #440

"I just do not know that I can do it". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #475

I don't need to read your 'letter'. randome Sep 2012 #15

NO, I am not looking for Utopia Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #38

It's just confusing leftstreet Sep 2012 #41

Same as if I mailed a ballot Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #60

My point is that no one is perfect. randome Sep 2012 #48

Please, point to the part where I say Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #130

"Ship of state is already under the waves". randome Sep 2012 #231

Well if Utopia means simply not killing any more people in foreign countries, or sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #528

What did you want from Obama that he hasn't delivered? Serious question.... scheming daemons Sep 2012 #16

I posted a link above for the people who keep asking me "why" Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #39

Kelvin - I Went To Your Link... WiffenPoof Sep 2012 #404

I've always just viewed myself as a liberal Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #442

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #49

A vote is a vote Mz Pip Sep 2012 #20

I will say that their voter suppression efforts pulled me off the sidelines jsmirman Sep 2012 #22

Since I know this guys history, tavalon Sep 2012 #197

I appreciate what you are doing Fresh_Start Sep 2012 #23

Yeah, the closer the election got Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #78

Now, we just need to keep him there tavalon Sep 2012 #198

I think you are a wise and honest person. Hat's off to you!! nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #28

Thank you Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #40

I also appreciate your honesty. I am sick to death of the pretentious, dishonest system sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #90

I will join sabrina MuseRider Sep 2012 #99

I would hope you would vote for Obama, he is the best Thinkingabout Sep 2012 #29

I am a liberal, not a Democrat Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #54

Its a vote...I'll take it. CanonRay Sep 2012 #31

I hear you on being disappointed on MAJOR issues ibegurpard Sep 2012 #37

And I am glad you are happy with your vote Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #79

K&R Kevin. I see what you're doing. trof Sep 2012 #42

Thanks, that is precisely what I am trying to achieve Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #81

whatever you think about Obama - SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT nt MariaM83 Sep 2012 #43

This argument has been brought up many times Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #82

Whoa! Hold on there! longship Sep 2012 #227

The Supreme Court Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #230

In other words, you are suggesting that Republicans will trigger a Constitutional crisis. longship Sep 2012 #241

"In other words, you are suggesting that Republicans will trigger a Constitutional crisis." Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #248

Okay. Understand that I still wish to be with you here. longship Sep 2012 #260

The question remains, would the Republicans do that? Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #267

That's a tall claim. longship Sep 2012 #270

We have been in crisis Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #333

Hope you are right Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #332

Honestly? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #331

I know three David Allens now. Panasonic Sep 2012 #45

Yes, I am that David Allen Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #83

Did your publishing business fold because of the * years? Panasonic Sep 2012 #106

Two things sank me Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #125

I figured that had something to do with it. tavalon Sep 2012 #199

OMFG! I bow before you hootinholler Sep 2012 #256

Fellow resident of NC--never was enchanted with Obama--but I don't need an excuse mnhtnbb Sep 2012 #46

I intended to vote in all races Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #84

Just like Senator Sanders said this very day (paraphrasing) "Vote for President Obama because Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #50

I was going to post something like this because I heard him too renate Sep 2012 #53

534 clones of Bernie Sanders, please. What the hell happened to us? Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #104

I think that you're very naive Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #51

Damn! Thanks for laying it all out like that! randome Sep 2012 #52

This is one of the best post on DU that I've seen Blue_Roses Sep 2012 #61

Absolutely right. Thanks for summarizing it so succinctly. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #62

Wish I could Rec a reply! AWESOME! SunsetDreams Sep 2012 #87

Same here! RiffRandell Sep 2012 #392

Thank you!! Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents of ALL time!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2012 #95

Actually... Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #327

Well, that's good news. I'm glad you're onboard. I haven't been happy with everything, Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2012 #396

If I had your patience. You completely de-constructed bullshit and showed it for what it is. nt bluestate10 Sep 2012 #152

So, unless I vote Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #325

Idealistic was the word you were looking for tavalon Sep 2012 #200

Oh the irony - it burns! Vinnie From Indy Sep 2012 #290

Yeah, you caught that... Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #324

A lot of people seem to have that syndrome in this thread Union Scribe Sep 2012 #449

In repsonse Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #323

And your response is fairly inadequate, really Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #374

Again, you got the vote for your guy Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #375

So basically you have just given up on all these issues. You have rationalized everything sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #365

Being realistic doesn't mean "giving up" Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #377

But none of this stopped the Republicans when THEY decided to prosecute a US President sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #379

I Understand That... WiffenPoof Sep 2012 #403

I'm a Union Guy louis c Sep 2012 #63

Whatever, take your tripe and faux outrage somewhere else. Pisces Sep 2012 #64

I shall post what I wish, when I wish, and how I wish Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #88

And occassionally you might get away with it due to the jury system Major Nikon Sep 2012 #107

I am not in violation of the TOS Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #131

Please don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining Major Nikon Sep 2012 #139

sure thing pal. dionysus Sep 2012 #319

+1000! Walk away Sep 2012 #165

You know what, fuck that response. Union Scribe Sep 2012 #117

I am greatful some folks understand Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #133

Fuck your response too Major Nikon Sep 2012 #141

If it were a violation, I would be gone Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #145

Not sure how you figure that Major Nikon Sep 2012 #150

How is the OP violating the TOS? Is there some rule saying that valid concerns can't be raised IndyJones Sep 2012 #168

Do I need to draw you a picture? Major Nikon Sep 2012 #174

He is doing none of those tavalon Sep 2012 #202

So you want to piss on my other shoe and tell me it's raining also Major Nikon Sep 2012 #210

I've got no interest in your shoes, tavalon Sep 2012 #226

Bravo! Vinnie From Indy Sep 2012 #286

How about the people telling him not to vote for Obama? Union Scribe Sep 2012 #448

I call 'em as I see 'em Major Nikon Sep 2012 #451

I love how some here have been resorting to the old Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #234

I love those who keep trying desperately to make this into something it isn't Major Nikon Sep 2012 #237

There's so much love between you two! randome Sep 2012 #239

Criticism is not bashing. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #242

I'm going to say to you what I said to my friend who tried (like you) to keep me from voting Obama DainBramaged Sep 2012 #65

You'd look smarter if you actually read the entire OP DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2012 #68

You'd look smarter if you minded your own business DainBramaged Sep 2012 #76

Still can't read yet, huh? RetroLounge Sep 2012 #86

Pot shots, still trying aren't ya? DainBramaged Sep 2012 #108

I love when someone obviously did not read the entire OP and then gets offended RetroLounge Sep 2012 #279

I did, I STILL got offended DainBramaged Sep 2012 #356

Thank you for saving me the trouble tavalon Sep 2012 #203

Is this fucking pile on 101, Go Merrry Christmas your tree DainBramaged Sep 2012 #359

I am sorry you feel insulted Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #89

It has NOTING to do with for me/against me holy shit DainBramaged Sep 2012 #109

The SCOTUS is a lost cause for the next 20 years Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #134

Seems like you posted without reading the original post. nt. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #101

Many, many did. tavalon Sep 2012 #204

Perhaps I'm being too simplistic, but it's a 2 party system. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #69

Only by default. It was not originally designed to work this way. GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #73

Black and white choices for a grey world Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #91

That is simplifying it a little maybe. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #103

I've always looked at it that way, too. OnionPatch Sep 2012 #147

No, actually, you've just made a fine argument tavalon Sep 2012 #205

So, you're going to vote for Obama in spite of yourself. MineralMan Sep 2012 #71

I am hardly the only person with problems voting for Obama Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #92

It is in aid of those of us who couldn't, when the chips were down, tavalon Sep 2012 #206

I respect your choice and reasoning. Peace, brother! GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #72

Thank you Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #93

Five tavalon Sep 2012 #207

six unapatriciated Oct 2012 #533

I get it. smokey nj Sep 2012 #229

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2012 #94

You live in the USA what do you expect Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #96

No, my choice was still voting Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #135

I hear what you're saying, but I hope you vote for the president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2012 #97

well it's mighty big of you- voting for someone else- but... stlsaxman Sep 2012 #98

I was never behind Obama nor Hillary for that matter. I knew he was a conserva-Dem, Cleita Sep 2012 #100

is your right mshasta Sep 2012 #102

How many more like Scalia and Thomas as SCOTUS would you recommend? cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #105

How many more Elena Kagans would YOU recommend? Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #238

Terms of Service : when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees WinkyDink Sep 2012 #110

People don't give a shit, they think it's OK and spew with impunity DainBramaged Sep 2012 #111

Chill out, bud. 99Forever Sep 2012 #120

Apparently, Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #146

NO. YOu're supposed to pull your head out of the sand. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #153

Hmmm... Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #308

I'm not your bud, chill this DainBramaged Sep 2012 #363

This shit did get alerted on Major Nikon Sep 2012 #155

Or, maybe they aren't all eager to become Union Scribe Sep 2012 #162

I don't have a problem with it Major Nikon Sep 2012 #173

So now those of us who don't like Obama but are supporting him anyway aren't welcome? Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #240

I think you're right on your first point but wrong on the others. randome Sep 2012 #244

"The 'disastrous on civil liberties' part especially does not ring true for me." Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #247

Legalizing domestic spying Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #309

All things that need to be addressed. randome Sep 2012 #314

Once again you pretend this is something it's not Major Nikon Sep 2012 #245

"You pretend this is something it's not" Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #258

Hmmm, calling out a fellow member tavalon Sep 2012 #209

So where does it say that, exactly? Major Nikon Sep 2012 #220

I'm heading to bed in a few minutes so I'm not going to comb through now tavalon Sep 2012 #225

The TOS takes up one page Major Nikon Sep 2012 #233

Considering that I went to bed just a bit after speaking to you tavalon Sep 2012 #395

Provide a link or a quote. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #232

MN, I agree with a lot of what you say, but I think the best reaction to this OP is... stevenleser Sep 2012 #249

If you are ever in my town Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #315

They read it Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #271

Or maybe the Jury actually read the OP and understood that Democrats will need sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #322

The OP is voting for him! Union Scribe Sep 2012 #119

Gosh, and what exactly do you think I am doing? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #143

Actually it's the title of the OP that's the problem. ohheckyeah Sep 2012 #158

If folks are going to judge the entire post Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #306

Yes, there is.... ohheckyeah Sep 2012 #320

There is actually a difference between "support" and your now-disingenuous denial of your premise. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #235

My words are plain Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #312

Say what? RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #201

And he just showed people who might not otherwise be able to, tavalon Sep 2012 #208

Oh, wow. A mentor. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #236

Thank you, sir. 99Forever Sep 2012 #115

Good to hear Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #144

You are entitled to say what you want, it is called free speech! akbacchus_BC Sep 2012 #116

I don't know if you've noticed tavalon Sep 2012 #211

If you see my post as a "rant" Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #311

On behalf of the Military in NC who I hope will be saved from deployment SaveAmerica Sep 2012 #118

Yeah, I'm that guy Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #140

1000 times - thank you!! Yes, I remember, I wanted you to be cloned SaveAmerica Sep 2012 #400

Finally, someone else who knows what this David Allen has done! tavalon Sep 2012 #212

Yes, I was watching and learning, and am really appreciative! SaveAmerica Sep 2012 #398

Thank you DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #122

I for one am not going to argue with someone who is doing what I want them to do stevenleser Sep 2012 #128

It has never been harder giving people Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #138

OK. It doesn't matter to me why you're voting for Obama. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #132

At this point Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #136

Wtf is this? Politicub Sep 2012 #137

I don't recall requesting your help Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #142

Try your moral and ethical qualms in the shoes of lgbt Americans Politicub Sep 2012 #149

If you have any qualms about the humans being held at Guantanamo, tavalon Sep 2012 #215

"Try your moral and ethical qualms in the shoes of lgbt Americans" Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #246

If you want to expedite DOMA repeal and the passage of ENDA Politicub Sep 2012 #253

Not that I've noticed Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #293

I don't hear similar sounding comments from most LGBT folks I know IRL or here on DU stevenleser Sep 2012 #254

"I don't hear similar sounding comments from most LGBT folks...on DU" Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #259

Actually, I want to push him down the left path Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #294

The President's 'evolvement' on LGBT issues happened because people refused sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #423

You see, you say you worked hard to bring about the changes you wanted. randome Sep 2012 #255

"at least recognize reality at the same time." Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #257

I was going to let this go but... randome Sep 2012 #262

I have. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #266

Kudos, then! randome Sep 2012 #269

Agreed. I have expressed my displeasure Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #292

Couple of things... Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #289

If you can't have better reading comprehension than that, tavalon Sep 2012 #213

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #148

Thank you, grantcart SIDURI Sep 2012 #164

"those that don't participate in the political process" sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #424

I'm glad the OP has such stout defenders as yourself... SIDURI Sep 2012 #445

I'm glad that there are people like the OP, without whom an awful lot of people sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #471

grantcart, I respect you greatly. tavalon Sep 2012 #216

Let's try it again. grantcart Sep 2012 #313

He is idealistic tavalon Sep 2012 #381

Well since I picked the same column you did Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #300

Column what column? Didn't read it. All I read was that someone was taking themselves out of the grantcart Sep 2012 #310

No! He's keeping himself IN the game and voting for Obama! blaze Sep 2012 #411

Yes, yes brush Sep 2012 #402

If Obama loses, in 8 years your ilk will be running to the next great democratic hope. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #151

Do a little research on his specific ilk. tavalon Sep 2012 #217

My entry comes and goes Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #305

+1..... KoKo Sep 2012 #366

Yeah, I love how I am being lectured on voting Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #384

Damn, the term BBV reminded me of the name of she who shall not be named tavalon Sep 2012 #382

This is what NC DU'ers Kelvin Mace, Joyce McCloy, other DU'ers Did for Verified Voting! KoKo Sep 2012 #407

The person who made herself infamous with the BBV issue is not McCloy. tavalon Sep 2012 #410

What the break off did in NC still stands and it was an achievement KoKo Sep 2012 #413

Oh, I wholly concur tavalon Sep 2012 #432

I have a clue Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #302

Who cares? WI_DEM Sep 2012 #154

A number of people do, actually tavalon Sep 2012 #218

look MFM008 Sep 2012 #156

Dismiss him if you want. But his view is valid johnlucas Sep 2012 #157

Well spoken John Lucas tavalon Sep 2012 #219

The problem with all of that is... stevenleser Sep 2012 #252

I don't buy that johnlucas Sep 2012 #336

You are dancing around my main points and asserting things for which you offered no proof stevenleser Sep 2012 #339

The Republicans this & the Republicans that. Sounds scared to me johnlucas Sep 2012 #357

Thank you for your posts in this thread. I have been saying the same things for years. unapatriciated Oct 2012 #534

You're welcome & thank you for the compliments! johnlucas Oct 2012 #536

Great public service announcement. mmonk Sep 2012 #159

White male privilege. donheld Sep 2012 #160

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #169

Boy, you're gonna look kind of silly if Reply #169 gets shut down by jury, huh? tavalon Sep 2012 #221

Why would a jury ever shoot down reply #169? sadbear Sep 2012 #265

It's bigotry tavalon Sep 2012 #391

Do you have a link to the jury results? sadbear Sep 2012 #401

Sure, I don't see your point, but whatever tavalon Sep 2012 #405

So you don't want people to vote for this President? Then what are you doing on DU? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #425

Yep. For the privileged it can be a "lesser evil." For the downtrodden, it is a necessity. joshcryer Sep 2012 #428

Thanks for your post. lovemydog Sep 2012 #166

I don't understand how this thread is continuing. Is this DU or the Brietbart Report? Walk away Sep 2012 #167

Yes, it is DU, where people can think and discuss issues, even more so when elections sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #177

Oh, Please. That OP is what you needed to vote for President Obama... Walk away Sep 2012 #251

And this pisses you off Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #287

Did I say I was pissed off? Is this what is meant by projecting? Walk away Sep 2012 #341

I see you did not read what is right in front of you. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #326

Denial? Walk away Sep 2012 #345

Not everyone is a Democrat. If the election depended only on Democrats sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #350

Walk away tavalon Sep 2012 #222

Again, I ask the question.... Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #284

Wow, tavalon Sep 2012 #176

It definitely has helped resolve a troubling decision for me. To vote for someone who sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #181

Despite my misgiving about Obama in 2008 Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #281

You are aware tama Sep 2012 #329

I was proud that America Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #393

Thanks for the tripe Mitt NNN0LHI Sep 2012 #180

Seriously? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #282

Of course you're exhorting others to do what you're doing. cali Sep 2012 #188

did you read the whole post? he's voting for obama. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #191

I read the whole post and my impression is that he left out cali Sep 2012 #214

he said he's voting for obama in the place of those likely to be purged from voting rolls. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #224

Then I respectfully request you read it again Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #280

He's exhorting people to use his way to be able to vote for Obama, if they, like him, tavalon Sep 2012 #223

Why is this so hard for folks to see? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #277

This group does tend to get myopic during election times tavalon Sep 2012 #390

Uh, Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #278

Read SHOWDOWN by David Corn Laurajr Sep 2012 #228

One more time with feeling... Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #274

The title is grammatically clear, if not to the OP. Line 2 = "pro-Obama folk," clearly NOT the OP. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #243

Look, we disagree on the "in good conscience" thing because gateley Sep 2012 #261

I appreciate your thoughtful reading of my post Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #273

I think you present a solution to those who feel as you do, but are rightly concerned that gateley Sep 2012 #307

It's your vote. You're casting it.... SidDithers Sep 2012 #264

If only some of the other people in this thread Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #272

This is just silly. RevStPatrick Sep 2012 #268

I did the same thing back in 2001, exchanging my vote with someone in Georgia twins.fan Sep 2012 #275

I worked through the same dilemma and came to the same bottom line but with a different rationale. eomer Sep 2012 #276

We both want people to have something to vote FOR Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #295

Well Done! Vinnie From Indy Sep 2012 #283

While I understand your logic (although I disagree), I think it is only one half of the whole story. DrewFlorida Sep 2012 #288

The way I see it Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #297

But if we can slow down the rate of sinking Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #463

SAME; but Supreme Court & hopes of a 4 year "Rope-A-Dope" upi402 Sep 2012 #291

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Sep 2012 #296

Gosh, I didn't think Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #298

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Sep 2012 #303

Your interpretation, not mine Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #337

The same people made the same arguments against us speaking out against the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #426

People keep telling me this is just this complex game of Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #524

No, you're right CreekDog Sep 2012 #521

By all means, apology accepted Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #523

I'm sorry. Embarrassingly, I didn't read your full post before hastily responding... CreekDog Sep 2012 #518

I understand Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #526

A two party system is obviously not going to please TBF Sep 2012 #316

Speaking of Jill Stein....I wouldn't risk voting her her in a battleground state. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #441

If it's a safe state like NY you can probably feel comfortable making a statement - TBF Sep 2012 #453

But where is the "far end" of the spectrum? Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #461

I hear you - TBF Sep 2012 #494

You're attempting to rationalize voting for Obama? MineralMan Sep 2012 #317

You assume I am doing nothing to stop voter suppression Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #338

No, I do not know you. MineralMan Sep 2012 #434

You might try the archives of the election forum Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #444

That's OK. I'll take your word for it. MineralMan Sep 2012 #454

As am I Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #456

You don't know much about the OP, do you? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #415

Rec mvd Sep 2012 #328

Shit stirring brush Sep 2012 #334

You didn't read the post Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #340

BULLSHIT we all read it it's bullshit DainBramaged Sep 2012 #361

Never said I was, but apparently Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #385

Ignore this DainBramaged Sep 2012 #389

You obviously didn't UNDERSTAND it after you didn't actually read it RetroLounge Sep 2012 #421

In the end, we agree -no candidate is perfect. randome Sep 2012 #351

Look at the Abu Ghraib Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #353

I don't think anyone is saying that murder isn't upsetting. randome Sep 2012 #355

Kelvin, this is perhaps the most self-aggrandizing, specious, sophistic codswallop I've seen on DU. Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #354

And I love you too... Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #360

I understand and respect your position Jake2413 Sep 2012 #358

Chris Floyd said it well also mt1000 Sep 2012 #364

Thank you #354 ... A Legend in His/Her Own Mind. Poppycock. Santa didn't come. Deal with it. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #367

You rock! robinlynne Sep 2012 #369

Thanks Kelvin rucky Sep 2012 #370

K&R DeSwiss Sep 2012 #371

Romney has had his ass beaten into the dirt these last couple weeks Whisp Sep 2012 #380

Amazing brush Sep 2012 #397

what an exhausting outsideworld Sep 2012 #412

I am on Democratic Underground, correct? Alduin Sep 2012 #414

It is an excellent way to foil those who would deprive people of their right to vote. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #416

This OP is not about that. trumad Sep 2012 #433

Nauseating...I'm really sad you're allowed to spread your filth, but it is "Democratic Underground" Rowdyboy Sep 2012 #417

So you too are against encouraging people to vote for Obama? What is going on here? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #427

My reading comprehension is fine-and I understand exactly what the OP is trying to do.... Rowdyboy Sep 2012 #437

get over yourself JI7 Sep 2012 #418

Then it's a good thing YOU'RE not on the ballot RetroLounge Sep 2012 #422

Please stay away from the voters Union Scribe Sep 2012 #447

What office are you running for? I know you can't be Obama because Autumn Sep 2012 #531

"I'll cast my vote for the disenfranchised despite that they're not as enlightened as me." joshcryer Sep 2012 #429

"Promises from Candidate Obama about hope and change"--You sound like a GOP candidate Kolesar Sep 2012 #430

You're a non-reality glass-half-empty purist who doesn't understand the real world. RBInMaine Sep 2012 #431

If we were purists Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #460

President Obama is not enough to the left for you. I get that. Jennicut Sep 2012 #435

The problem with this attitude is Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #459

The country is not shifting to the right. Jennicut Sep 2012 #466

Sorry, but the country has been shifting right for some time Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #474

Is the reason WHY I vote for Obama germane to Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #477

You know what? ElboRuum Sep 2012 #438

Will you marry me? Whisp Sep 2012 #439

And when you do get married Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #472

Thread over. Bobbie Jo Sep 2012 #443

Not really... Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #469

If this is the only piece of his Bobbie Jo Sep 2012 #476

I have read Elbo's posts Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #480

"Keep your vote." Union Scribe Sep 2012 #446

the poster said nothing about devotion to Obama JI7 Sep 2012 #450

Can you point out where I ask for my "ass to be kissed"? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #467

Really? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #457

Nope. ElboRuum Sep 2012 #520

+ a brazillian. MineralMan Sep 2012 #455

You are agreeing that ElboRuum is correct in telling me Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #468

"Why does it matter WHY I vote for Obama?" sadbear Sep 2012 #470

Uh, yes, my post is for people who had my reservations about voting for Obama, such as myself Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #479

No, I do hope you will vote for Obama. MineralMan Sep 2012 #486

The only reason I chose to explain "why" I was in my post Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #489

You will hold whatever opinion you hold. MineralMan Sep 2012 #490

Comments are one thing Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #493

Let me get this straight. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #458

Seems to be the vibe I am getting from a LOT of people who object to this post. Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #465

No. ElboRuum Sep 2012 #512

Gosh, who appointed you Obama's arbiter of votes? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #464

You posted an open forum. You know what that means? ElboRuum Sep 2012 #508

I don't know your gender, and I don't even care, but if things don't work out with Whisp..... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #511

Your comment "as far as I was concerned, could keep your damn vote" unapatriciated Oct 2012 #535

With all due respect... ElboRuum Oct 2012 #537

Oooh, that's bound to leave a blister. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #509

I'm sorry you are getting jumped all over for this Marrah_G Sep 2012 #462

It is amazing how many people Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #473

That would be "know." And that would be yours truly. And you would still be wrong in your idiom WinkyDink Sep 2012 #482

Thank you for calling my attention to my grammar error Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #485

I like that you have found a way to support the President. peace13 Sep 2012 #478

I am hoping that some of the folk giving me grief Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #484

So let's cut to the chase, dear: hello larry Sep 2012 #481

Are you voting for Obama? Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #498

most complaints about Obama are based on things people think he did... Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #483

I think there are differences between complaints coming from the right Marrah_G Sep 2012 #487

I'm just saying even the criticisms from the left seem to assume... Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #492

In response Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #497

He is currently Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #496

um...OK? Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #491

As you apparently plan to vote for Obama Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #495

I'm just saying this whole thing could have been avoided... Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #499

As the people I was trying to have a discussion with were those Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #500

Please forgive my ignorance darkangel218 Sep 2012 #501

I certainly had no intention of voting for ROmney Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #504

Fortunately for me, I do not have to make this decision. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #502

Who are you voting for, then? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #505

wow DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #503

Thank you! Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #506

freudian slip DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #514

I was very concerned that Rahmn was going to really screw up the Chicago Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #515

I am concerned about him period DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #527

I knew that the chances of Obama keeping any promises Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #529

!! heaven05 Sep 2012 #507

Once again, I am not a Democrat, I am a liberal Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #522

Justice Ginsberg will likely be retiring in the next couple yrs. You can't in good conscience NOT Thrill Sep 2012 #510

As I keep telling folks who bring up this issue Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #517

Thats nonsense Thrill Sep 2012 #519

No, hard reality Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #525

whoa, this is a monster thread quinnox Sep 2012 #513