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In reply to the discussion: Self paced learning proves a hit at Los Altos school [View all]Starry Messenger
(32,380 posts)9. "You Khan’t Ignore How Students Learn"
http://fnoschese.wordpress.com/tag/khan-academy/
This physics teacher has several blog entries of his criticisms of Khan video system:
This physics teacher has several blog entries of his criticisms of Khan video system:
"A video lecture is not interactive engagement.
maybe you explain once and you reemphasize that this goes against misconception A, B, C, or D.
Khan (along with most of the general public, in my opinion) has this naive notion that teaching is really just explaining. And that the way to be a better teacher is to improve your explanations. Not so! Teaching is really about creating experiences that allow students to construct meaning.
And I think frankly, the best way to do it is you put stuff out there and you see how people react to it
This is flawed. Peoples reactions are not indicators of effectiveness. Pre/post testing is needed to indicate effectiveness. Ah, but perhaps there is a relationship between peoples reaction and effectiveness? The research indicates otherwise. In the very research study that Khan says is valid (and then dismisses), student actually did better after watching the videos they described as confusing, and made no gains after watching the videos they described as easy to understand. Additional research indicates that when an instructor switches over to IE methods, course evaluations from students tend to be more negative than the previous year, despite gains from students going up. (Dont worry, a few years after the switch to IE, the evaluations go back to pre-IE levels.)
You see, the comments they put, theyll ask questions based on Every time I put a YouTube video up, I look at the comments at least the first 20, 30, 40 comments that go up and I can normally see a theme: that look, a lot of people kind of got the wrong idea here. Or maybe some people did, and then Ill usually make another video saying Hey, look after the last video, I read some the comments and a lot of yall are saying this is not what were talking about its completely different. So that means I am attacking the misconceptions.
Again, its not about crafting better explanations. Its about helping students wrestle with their conceptions and guiding them."
maybe you explain once and you reemphasize that this goes against misconception A, B, C, or D.
Khan (along with most of the general public, in my opinion) has this naive notion that teaching is really just explaining. And that the way to be a better teacher is to improve your explanations. Not so! Teaching is really about creating experiences that allow students to construct meaning.
And I think frankly, the best way to do it is you put stuff out there and you see how people react to it
This is flawed. Peoples reactions are not indicators of effectiveness. Pre/post testing is needed to indicate effectiveness. Ah, but perhaps there is a relationship between peoples reaction and effectiveness? The research indicates otherwise. In the very research study that Khan says is valid (and then dismisses), student actually did better after watching the videos they described as confusing, and made no gains after watching the videos they described as easy to understand. Additional research indicates that when an instructor switches over to IE methods, course evaluations from students tend to be more negative than the previous year, despite gains from students going up. (Dont worry, a few years after the switch to IE, the evaluations go back to pre-IE levels.)
You see, the comments they put, theyll ask questions based on Every time I put a YouTube video up, I look at the comments at least the first 20, 30, 40 comments that go up and I can normally see a theme: that look, a lot of people kind of got the wrong idea here. Or maybe some people did, and then Ill usually make another video saying Hey, look after the last video, I read some the comments and a lot of yall are saying this is not what were talking about its completely different. So that means I am attacking the misconceptions.
Again, its not about crafting better explanations. Its about helping students wrestle with their conceptions and guiding them."
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You're using it wrong and you don't understand it & the benefits it gives to teachers
txlibdem
Jan 2012
#12
Yeah, yeah. I've heard this song before. Nothing can ever change in your world or you'll fight it
txlibdem
Jan 2012
#11
OK, I'll tell our assistant superintendent for curriculum and instruction
proud2BlibKansan
Jan 2012
#30
You are painting an entire community as racists, a community of mostly Democrats by the way
txlibdem
Jan 2012
#10
On further research, looks like the school district isn't being up front re demographics on its site
EFerrari
Jan 2012
#17
It relates to the Khan Academy because you used Los Altos as some kind of model.
EFerrari
Jan 2012
#20
One guy hates it but 4 separate districts vetted it and found it helps students learn better
txlibdem
Jan 2012
#13
The Khan system is nothing more than an updated version of the levels system they used to teach math
MadHound
Jan 2012
#31
You mean worse than we have now? Students aren't being prepared for college now.
txlibdem
Jan 2012
#34