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marions ghost

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95. Rich people don't decide what is art--
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:52 PM
Sep 2012

and you don't have to like it. All I'm saying is...understand it.

Like I said, if there were more public funding for art it would be a better situation for the real deciders, the academics, curators, artists. But art is expensive to produce, maintain, and exhibit. If there's no money for it, art dies.

It's better that the rich spend their money on art (which ultimately ends up in museums if it's good enough & has cultural value) than on other expensive junk, right? Or is it better for them to buy diamonds and furs?

As far as money laundering, I think they have a LOT better ways to do that. OK there are some blue chip artists stuff that it's high status to own, but in general, they just collect art for fun and status.

A lot of rich people have terrible ideas about art and don't even end up buying good stuff, (like stocks a lot is overrated...)

The rich are NOT the deciders of what is art. Academics, critics, curators decide & they are usually far from rich.

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Not all art collectors are rich. Have you ever heard of Herb and Dorothy:

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IMHO, That's Not Art Or Piss Poor Art, Pardon The Pun, But He Has The Right To Make And Show It DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #1
I think the light on the crucifix in the photo is cool htuttle Sep 2012 #2
He could've always used apple juice Bucky Sep 2012 #139
does it raise an emotion in you? then it's art. whether you like it or not is a separate issue. piratefish08 Sep 2012 #3
Porn Raises An Emotion In People. Sometimes Great Emotions. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #5
Yes OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #44
watching the news raises emotions in me. seeing homeless people begging in the streets raises HiPointDem Sep 2012 #71
News and funerals are forms of art. morningfog Sep 2012 #84
everything is art, therefore nothing is art HiPointDem Sep 2012 #92
Everything that an artist creates and claims to be art OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #110
& who is "an artist"? "bringing the ridiculousness" is the circular definitions being proposed HiPointDem Sep 2012 #112
That's one of the beautiful things about art OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #115
ergo, the meaninglessness of the definitions. everyone's an artist, everything is art. it's what- HiPointDem Sep 2012 #116
Meaningless to you maybe OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #118
if everyone is an artist and art is whatever the artist says it is, then 'art' as a word, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #119
I never said everyone was an artist OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #122
by saying everyone who wants to create something is an artist, you are saying that, though. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #123
It's only miasma if OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #124
Good points IMO marions ghost Sep 2012 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author marions ghost Sep 2012 #137
So marions ghost Sep 2012 #138
yes. piratefish08 Sep 2012 #49
Of course cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #64
So cross burnings are art? Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #11
I don't recall any cross burnings being claimed to be art OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #45
I wouldn't say politics is art, yet it raises emotions in me chemenger Sep 2012 #28
If I set your dog on fire or shredded your family photos, then, it'd be art? Bucky Sep 2012 #140
What better time to show it? There won't be any violent riots over it. Except... LeftinOH Sep 2012 #4
Where are all the warnings leftynyc Sep 2012 #6
As The President Said "This Is A Teachable Moment" DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #8
Of course not leftynyc Sep 2012 #12
I Won't Go There DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #13
I have no problem "going there" leftynyc Sep 2012 #15
I agree Missycim Sep 2012 #17
I agree. That double standard is glaring. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #25
They Came Up With The "Eyes Of The Beholder" Test DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #26
Solid post. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #69
they certainly are.... HiPointDem Sep 2012 #120
I'm going to predict there's no 1A flamefests over this particular bit of religion bashing... nt riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #19
As there shouldn't be. But, there were such arguments when the piece was first unveiled. morningfog Sep 2012 #85
We have an advantage here. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #29
Is it propoganda to point leftynyc Sep 2012 #37
The dictators our government supports invited us in, not the countries. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #38
Oh brother leftynyc Sep 2012 #39
Our government's interventions in the Middle East, ronnie624 Sep 2012 #42
You didn't answer my question leftynyc Sep 2012 #48
We already support governments that oppress women, Like Saudi Arabia and Iraq. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #67
it's the us who is *creating* those governments, and it has very little to do with islam. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #121
Thread police? Who elected you? leftynyc Sep 2012 #125
All Of This May Or Not Be True DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #40
I was speaking to the underlying reasons for the rioting and violence. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #41
Nothing as they most certainly have that leftynyc Sep 2012 #51
Good points. zellie Sep 2012 #46
I'm not sure that adage applies here, ronnie624 Sep 2012 #47
The fact there aren't riots or people being killed has to do with the context treestar Sep 2012 #57
With all due respect, horseshit leftynyc Sep 2012 #61
If we were in their position treestar Sep 2012 #62
Apparently if Christians wanted progressive to argue against 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #97
I was raised Protestant and am now Agnostic. I also find it offensive, and defend the artist's... slackmaster Sep 2012 #7
I remember this controversy. RiffRandell Sep 2012 #9
Swell, one more excuse for Giuliani to come back on the cable news channels and morning shows. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #10
I think if people were totally unaware that it was taken through urine, they'd think sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #14
It does look better than you think it's going to look (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #16
In the broadest sense, for me, "art" is anything formed, shaped, created by a human. SDjack Sep 2012 #18
People playing with their excrements is still considered art? redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #20
It asks a valid question about plastic icons Generic Other Sep 2012 #21
Every Christian who I show this to finds it beautiful. slampoet Sep 2012 #22
Maybe I'm Not Avant Garde, Chic, Or Hip Enough But I Find It Offensive DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #27
offensive no... just another emporer has no clothes whistler162 Sep 2012 #52
If it was a photoshop filter you wouldn't care. slampoet Sep 2012 #54
Was there a chocolate milk christ too? snooper2 Sep 2012 #133
That's what I was wondering, is there more to this treestar Sep 2012 #58
Anxiously awaiting the breathless explanations of how this work is "ZOMG hate speech!" and Romulox Sep 2012 #23
It has super-Jesusy status w/ extra God sauce 'cuz it's about "Faith" and "Religion"!!! Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #24
I think the artist has a right to do it. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #34
We're on the same page, then. Some DUers wanted the Islam filmmaker charged with a crime. nt Romulox Sep 2012 #56
I really don't understand why a Christian would find this offensive. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #30
Seminal fluid is a bodily substance DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #31
"Piss Christ" is not called "Golden Shower Christ." ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #35
Someone already created art comprising the Virgin Mary smeared with elephant feces. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #43
Mary was also "smeared" with oil paint, polyester resin and glitter. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #59
It is worth noting that a vandal actually smeared this piece with white paint Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #82
I bet it would surprise you to learn that Ofili's portait of the Vigin Mary gave me Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #79
cow wingzeroday Sep 2012 #91
You do not get to decide what others find offensive. Zax2me Sep 2012 #89
I have not told anyone what to find offensive, I have only expressed confusion for the offense. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #106
meh. Another facile and hamfisted attempt at making a point masquerading as art dmallind Sep 2012 #32
I understand with the right light it's quite beautiful ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #33
It's a photograph. The light is in the photograph. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #80
So on display it just sits there? ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #130
They usually hang photographs to display them. Mariana Sep 2012 #135
You can take the piss out of New York kenny blankenship Sep 2012 #36
Sister Wendy on Piss Christ (Part 6) xchrom Sep 2012 #50
Gotta love Sister Wendy! Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #60
That was great Politicub Sep 2012 #68
As someone who was brought up Catholic, I think it's kind of an interesting piece. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #53
While this "art" offends me, it is free speech bluestateguy Sep 2012 #55
Just in case folks don't know... it is a photograph cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #63
It's a photograph marions ghost Sep 2012 #73
On some level, this is the most successful artist in many years Nevernose Sep 2012 #65
Hell all I can think is that the guy's dehydrated. nolabear Sep 2012 #66
People who get outraged over this completely validate the artist's point Major Nikon Sep 2012 #70
^^^ this ^^^ nt bunnies Sep 2012 #81
the world of high art = corrupt HiPointDem Sep 2012 #72
Like everything else... marions ghost Sep 2012 #74
it's not about thinking, it's about the benjamins. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #75
Sure like every other commodity marions ghost Sep 2012 #76
anything bought & promoted by rich people will have an audience. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #77
I'm with you sneering at the excess of luxury commodities marions ghost Sep 2012 #93
i'm not slamming it as commodity, i'm slamming it as tax dodge & money-laundering facility. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #94
Rich people don't decide what is art-- marions ghost Sep 2012 #95
oh but they do. with their dollars, which fund the museums, curators, media people, "in-crowd" etc. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #96
I know about this world... marions ghost Sep 2012 #98
your relationship to the high art world, as i understand it, parallels the relationship of any HiPointDem Sep 2012 #99
Ok we can disagree... marions ghost Sep 2012 #104
it's not a question of individuals 'selling out'. it's a question of control, direction, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #105
mythos of "the artist" marions ghost Sep 2012 #107
very far apart indeed, which is why it's better we just agree to disagree. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #109
Applied Arts depend on art in general marions ghost Sep 2012 #127
no, what i think is that the definitions of 'art' in this thread are meaningless. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #129
you have a comrade in that line of thinking.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #134
I always found this work profound and deeply spiritual MikeE Sep 2012 #78
as do i. it's a sublime piece. NuttyFluffers Sep 2012 #83
Interesting interpretation. I like this. n/t vaberella Sep 2012 #101
As a combination of things revered and reviled rrneck Sep 2012 #86
Will there be riots? Murders? Zax2me Sep 2012 #87
If he had said he had soaked it in ammonia and uric acid, would it have had the same reaction? GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #88
#christianrage Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #90
In all honesty before I read what I was seeing I thought the art was gorgeous. vaberella Sep 2012 #100
Like Guns, Art doesn't kill, steal, or incite riots orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #102
I always thought the piece consisted of an actual container of urine with the kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #103
Ok that does it! I want to go kill whoever did this. L0oniX Sep 2012 #108
Just looking at the picture and not the whole exibit it looks like sunset. craigmatic Sep 2012 #111
I hope Serrano is drinking more water these days. n/t leeroysphitz Sep 2012 #113
If that was water the crucifix was in, that photo would be in every Christian church in the world jmowreader Sep 2012 #114
right and how do we even know it was urine? marions ghost Sep 2012 #131
He claims it was five gallons of urine jmowreader Sep 2012 #132
LOL right marions ghost Sep 2012 #136
Part of the trick of light is the phosphorescense unique to urine Bucky Sep 2012 #142
I have always found it curiously beautiful daleo Sep 2012 #117
Art doesn't offend me, republicans do. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #126
Sweet, I have a piece of Serranos work... GumboYaYa Sep 2012 #128
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