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Uncle Joe

(65,167 posts)
23. You make some good points, Peace Patriot.
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 06:37 PM
Jan 2012

"As for the substance of this study, that's likely what the manipulators of the Corporate Press want us to restrict our discussion to. Is it harmful? Is it not? (It's possible they are setting up the researchers to be dissed or discredited later on--another possible hidden motivation.) What we should really be talking about is the "war on drugs" and the criminal misuse of this "war" by the U.S. government as a tool of aggression and, if my suspicions are correct, a flipover into vast crime (by the Bush Junta). Whether a drug is harmful or beneficial, or whatever, really isn't that important. How society handles problems such as drug use, drug addiction or the desperate poverty that drives people into illicit trades is the heart of the matter.

So maybe what the Corporate Press motivation is here is distraction. They are quite aware of the legalization movement in Latin America, and the medical marijuana movement here, and they are publishing this NOT to add information and enlightenment to the discussion, but to draw people off into a side issue. That is yet another Corporate Press tactic to look out for.

There is evidence of honesty in this study, in that the researchers admit that "The middle-aged tokers may have scored higher than others because the drug users tended to have a higher education level than non-users." That makes intuitive sense to me (though I don't have any numbers), having lived through much of the history of this medicinal herb as it was demonized by thuggish or cowardly politicians and turned into an excuse for fascist oppression. Intelligent people saw through this and some of society's brightest were in fundamental rebellion against the war machine when marijuana smoking became a synonym for living peacefully. Indeed, that is the first thing that occurred to me, when I read the headline--that many smart people took up marijuana smoking and maybe that skewed the numbers. Well, they admit it, so that's good. On the other hand, you have to wonder about taking up such a stupid study--that is, a study with such a huge "chicken and egg" question at its core. What does it matter, in the end, whether marijuana impairs memory, or benefits memory, or is neutral? The REAL issues are, a) individual freedom, and b) TRILLIONS of dollars WASTED on the "war on drugs." Why didn't they do a study instead on the assholes instigating wars? (Oh, wait, that might harm the cocaine trade!) "

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As a fifty something former toker Bluzmann57 Jan 2012 #1
Grrrr. If they mean Cannabis, say "Cannabis users", not "drug users" tridim Jan 2012 #2
agreed n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #22
so, the reason i dont remember things now is i stopped the pot a couple years ago???? lol lol. seabeyond Jan 2012 #3
Are you sure you've stopped? n/t Control-Z Jan 2012 #7
pretty damn sure... nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #8
Maybe the short term memories we lost back in the day Zorra Jan 2012 #4
In all seriousness, the brain skills nessecary to "maintain" are cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #9
That's interesting. Can you elaborate? Duer 157099 Jan 2012 #24
I'll try... cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #30
Hmm. Interesting. Probably correct. Duer 157099 Jan 2012 #32
I occasionally get comments on, "how can you remember all that"? Recently when brewens Jan 2012 #5
I think it's fine to take a break from sobriety now and then. Quantess Jan 2012 #6
Cannabis smokers yes, drug users, no! wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #10
One possibility... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #11
There is a difference between intelligence and memory. surrealAmerican Jan 2012 #33
Definitely. However in practice they tend to go together. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #37
10 fatties a day will keep the Doctors away is twue from this 71 ole skinny ass chinaman....LOL opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #12
I used to study in college, on Pot. Then, take the test with the same pot, and amount. Had perfectis WingDinger Jan 2012 #13
I got my BS in Microbiology and my DVM while mildly but regularly high. kestrel91316 Jan 2012 #14
And you would know if there was cognitive impairment because... randome Jan 2012 #18
Well, I wouldn't have gotten the grades I did, and wouldn't have beaten out so very many kestrel91316 Jan 2012 #20
Your experience is verified - see post 25. n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #26
I wonder if pot-typical short-term memory loss is actually useful in preserving memory space. Voice for Peace Jan 2012 #15
IMO that's why it's good for mild autism. tridim Jan 2012 #16
my son is of legal age RainDog Jan 2012 #34
Got to read between the lines when a study like this gets published/promoted... Peace Patriot Jan 2012 #17
You make some good points, Peace Patriot. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #23
my state's medicinal cannabis laws specifically allow it for treating Alzheimer's Disease symptoms eShirl Jan 2012 #19
Cannabis preserves and protects brain functions. K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #21
This correlates with a July, 2011 study that found no cognitive impairment for long-term users RainDog Jan 2012 #25
employers will now start seeking out pot smokers Enrique Jan 2012 #27
LOL! randome Jan 2012 #28
Testing positive should be reason for a pay raise! B Calm Jan 2012 #36
Leftovers last longer in the refrigerator... hunter Jan 2012 #29
Awful thread title and Newser title Weisbergkevin Jan 2012 #31
good points. would be nice if the title were edited for reality. n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #38
Uh...what? DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #35
Correlation does not mean causation. n/t Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #39
true. RainDog Jan 2012 #40
And cannabis may lead to a longer life Tsiyu Jan 2012 #41
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