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Tom Rinaldo

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28. You are using a straw man argument
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:37 PM
Sep 2012

Charity and sacrifice are different concepts and I don't think I was confusing them in my observation.

First off, very few people of average means or less make an effort to make the world know how much they are giving to charity. I am the one raising the element of relative personal sacrifice here in a sociological context - because it echos themes current to the political debate; notably who is or is not mooching, and who is or is not in a position to be asked to make "sacrifices" during efforts to reduce federal deficits.

The people who call attention to their civic charity are usually the ones who like to have buildings named after them in recognition of their generosity, and they are very large donors who almost always have substantial wealth. I have no problem with that when it happens, but poor people seldom get recognized for their generosity.

Actually what solid charities care about is whether their mission will succeed. A strategy that focuses on soliciting the support of people who can write big checks is often productive toward that end but not without some exceptions. Sometimes a strategy that focuses on winning the active support loyalty and involvement of a broader cross section of the population turns out ultimately to be more fruitful

And of course a charity in the normal course of affairs does not care how much of a sacrifice a donor is making by giving, although in some cases inspirational publicity focused on the sacrifices some make to support a cause indeed can benefit that cause.

I wrote this OP in the context of the current debate kicked up by Mitt Romney's comments on the 47% of people who he stated he will never be able to convince to care about their own lives because their inability to pay income taxes somehow orients them toward a dependent mind set which leaves them thinking of themselves as victims who the government must support. The aura of moral superiority here was seized by someone who attributes those who can afford to pay income taxes as having a finer character.than those who can not.

Sacrifice may not be highly relevant to charity but the concept of shared sacrifice certainly is to our nation. I suppose you could turn my argument on its head and point out that the well to do are denied the chance to show how generous of spirit they truly are because almost by definition it never really hurts them to give. But this nation needs a President with a deeply held understanding of what it actually means, what the repercussions are in each case, to ask people of differing financial situations to give up something for their nation's overall needs.

We can leave to another time a discussion of whether or not our nation, or even a major charity, is well served by having such a great percentage of our nations wealth owned by such a small percentage of her citizens. Given the status quo, of course major charities seek help from major donors. For the same reason why Willy Sutton frequented banks.

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Absolutely true because it cuts into their actual living expenses. RobMe has more than enough to Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #1
The same goes with the tax cuts liberal N proud Sep 2012 #2
Yup. IF they create jobs they OFTEN are overseas. And corporations and large businesses are awash... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #4
It has been shown over and over the less you have, the more you share. hollysmom Sep 2012 #3
If a rich man disagrees with you, point out that.....So saith the Bible. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #5
Thanks to you and AnneD for remembering this parable Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #7
You should have included the next verse susanr516 Sep 2012 #30
The parable of the widow's mite..... AnneD Sep 2012 #6
I was thinking of that verse when I read the post title. OnionPatch Sep 2012 #10
There is more written in the bible... AnneD Sep 2012 #29
This is why a flat tax would be SO unfair. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #8
For a number of years the Democratic Party too often shyed away from forcefully making this case Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #9
Not really. Zax2me Sep 2012 #11
OK what? Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #12
It's hard to explain this concept in a soundbite or bumper sticker...which is why so many on the bluethruandthru Sep 2012 #13
I think you are right abougt that. On the other hand... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #14
I agree. And want to add that Mitt's charity is real iffy siligut Sep 2012 #15
It is quite top heavy toward his regligion Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #16
Agreed. My daughter held four years of break-a-thons (karate) and we took at least... HopeHoops Sep 2012 #17
Charity isn't about the sacrifice of the person giving. DesMoinesDem Sep 2012 #18
I strongly disagree with your premise Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #20
Sacrifice is irrelevant to charity. DesMoinesDem Sep 2012 #25
You are using a straw man argument Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #28
see my example here hfojvt Sep 2012 #23
Alert the media!!! upi402 Sep 2012 #19
"The widow's mite" annabanana Sep 2012 #21
+1 hedgehog Sep 2012 #26
Well, $300 would be a pittance hfojvt Sep 2012 #22
Well, I agree. $300 from a $30,000 salary would not be very much nor "very good". Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #27
Few rich people give away anything. They buy things: good PR, tax deductions, influence over HiPointDem Sep 2012 #24
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