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Mister Ed

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19. Important but a separate matter.

Reply to Kaleva (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 09:13 AM

Aug 2020

As Post 12 says, what caused the first killing will be key.

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The Kenosha shooter's self defense argument and mass shooters [View all] Yavin4 Aug 2020 OP

Zimmerman and the Kenosha shooter were hunting human beings, just like school shooters BKDem Aug 2020 #1

Zimmerman is the best parallel for this Amishman Aug 2020 #37

Thank you for your analysis. BKDem Aug 2020 #38

I agree that the situation is as you described Amishman Aug 2020 #43

This is the most depressing thing drmeow Sep 2020 #47

It's legal to open carry on the streets of Kenosha but illegal to do so in a school. Kaleva Aug 2020 #2

It was not legal for that kid to have that gun dsc Aug 2020 #3

Yep he was a criminal involved in an illegal act GusBob Aug 2020 #5

There is some debate about that Kaleva Aug 2020 #7

If he were black, the police would have shot him. yardwork Aug 2020 #11

That point is moot. Yavin4 Aug 2020 #4

You left out the part where he's being chased on the street and not pointing or firing the gun at Kaleva Aug 2020 #9

Being chased AFTER he was seen shooting and killing first victim. n/t Mister Ed Aug 2020 #16

See post 12 Kaleva Aug 2020 #18

Important but a separate matter. Mister Ed Aug 2020 #19

I agree. Kaleva Aug 2020 #21

How are the protestors on the street supposed to know in real time that his first shooting... Yavin4 Aug 2020 #22

In that case... Dr. Strange Aug 2020 #40

That's where the "good guy with a gun" cliche is shown to be utter bullshit. Mister Ed Aug 2020 #45

And before, according to a witness. sl8 Aug 2020 #26

Yes. There is video footage showing him being chased before firing his first shots. Mister Ed Aug 2020 #44

Open carry may be legal GusBob Aug 2020 #6

So if a guy walks into a school armed, you wait till he points and shoots at someone? Kaleva Aug 2020 #8

No GusBob Aug 2020 #10

Michigan laws are quirky. I can open carry in a school. Kaleva Aug 2020 #13

Thats nice Eom GusBob Aug 2020 #14

Had Smerconish CNN on. They had a reporter from NYT (I think) who has spent days Hoyt Aug 2020 #12

A protester armed with a pistol will make this trial a toss up. Kaleva Aug 2020 #17

I think it will depend on what happened in first shooting. Anything after that, could be viewed as Hoyt Aug 2020 #20

How are the protestors on the street supposed to know what happened in the prior shooting? Yavin4 Aug 2020 #23

Why would they chase a crazy guy with an assault rifle anyway? Polybius Aug 2020 #36

Look, I don't like Rittenhouse. But, if the first protester attacked Rittenhouse, that could be Hoyt Aug 2020 #39

Wow, please make this an OP Polybius Aug 2020 #35

That was the point Smerconish kept making -- People ought to stop jumping to conclusions before Hoyt Aug 2020 #41

This defense worked in the 1979 Greensboro massacre. Eugene Aug 2020 #15

Remember, when police say "they were out after curfew so they deserved it." louis-t Aug 2020 #24

It figures that some here insist on defending that asshole.... tenderfoot Aug 2020 #25

The usuals. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2020 #27

So basically, the argument is... Happy Hoosier Aug 2020 #28

Not just protestors. ANY potential hostile environment ANY WHERE. Yavin4 Aug 2020 #29

Personally, if someone shows up at a protest armed, they ought to be locked up because they Hoyt Aug 2020 #42

Outside Agitator. nt Progressive Jones Aug 2020 #30

A Weak Defense ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #31

There's no self-defense a jury would easily find the pos guilty rockfordfile Aug 2020 #32

I did a post on Fb about that. Mass shooting mostly by white men, someone rushes to take the gun LizBeth Aug 2020 #33

true, yet llashram Aug 2020 #34

self-defense is a crock of shit....... Takket Aug 2020 #46