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HiPointDem

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116. ergo, the meaninglessness of the definitions. everyone's an artist, everything is art. it's what-

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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:25 AM

Sep 2012

ever any individual decides it is.

ergo, meaningless and not part of any generally shared social language.

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Controversial "Piss Christ" art back in New York [View all] Nye Bevan Sep 2012 OP

IMHO, That's Not Art Or Piss Poor Art, Pardon The Pun, But He Has The Right To Make And Show It DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #1

I think the light on the crucifix in the photo is cool htuttle Sep 2012 #2

He could've always used apple juice Bucky Sep 2012 #139

does it raise an emotion in you? then it's art. whether you like it or not is a separate issue. piratefish08 Sep 2012 #3

Porn Raises An Emotion In People. Sometimes Great Emotions. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #5

Yes OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #44

watching the news raises emotions in me. seeing homeless people begging in the streets raises HiPointDem Sep 2012 #71

News and funerals are forms of art. morningfog Sep 2012 #84

everything is art, therefore nothing is art HiPointDem Sep 2012 #92

Everything that an artist creates and claims to be art OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #110

& who is "an artist"? "bringing the ridiculousness" is the circular definitions being proposed HiPointDem Sep 2012 #112

That's one of the beautiful things about art OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #115

ergo, the meaninglessness of the definitions. everyone's an artist, everything is art. it's what- HiPointDem Sep 2012 #116

Meaningless to you maybe OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #118

if everyone is an artist and art is whatever the artist says it is, then 'art' as a word, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #119

I never said everyone was an artist OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #122

by saying everyone who wants to create something is an artist, you are saying that, though. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #123

It's only miasma if OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #124

Good points IMO marions ghost Sep 2012 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author marions ghost Sep 2012 #137

So marions ghost Sep 2012 #138

yes. piratefish08 Sep 2012 #49

Of course cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #64

So cross burnings are art? Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #11

I don't recall any cross burnings being claimed to be art OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #45

I wouldn't say politics is art, yet it raises emotions in me chemenger Sep 2012 #28

If I set your dog on fire or shredded your family photos, then, it'd be art? Bucky Sep 2012 #140

What better time to show it? There won't be any violent riots over it. Except... LeftinOH Sep 2012 #4

Where are all the warnings leftynyc Sep 2012 #6

As The President Said "This Is A Teachable Moment" DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #8

Of course not leftynyc Sep 2012 #12

I Won't Go There DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #13

I have no problem "going there" leftynyc Sep 2012 #15

I agree Missycim Sep 2012 #17

I agree. That double standard is glaring. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #25

They Came Up With The "Eyes Of The Beholder" Test DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #26

Solid post. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #69

they certainly are.... HiPointDem Sep 2012 #120

I'm going to predict there's no 1A flamefests over this particular bit of religion bashing... nt riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #19

As there shouldn't be. But, there were such arguments when the piece was first unveiled. morningfog Sep 2012 #85

We have an advantage here. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #29

Is it propoganda to point leftynyc Sep 2012 #37

The dictators our government supports invited us in, not the countries. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #38

Oh brother leftynyc Sep 2012 #39

Our government's interventions in the Middle East, ronnie624 Sep 2012 #42

You didn't answer my question leftynyc Sep 2012 #48

We already support governments that oppress women, Like Saudi Arabia and Iraq. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #67

it's the us who is *creating* those governments, and it has very little to do with islam. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #121

Thread police? Who elected you? leftynyc Sep 2012 #125

All Of This May Or Not Be True DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #40

I was speaking to the underlying reasons for the rioting and violence. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #41

Nothing as they most certainly have that leftynyc Sep 2012 #51

Good points. zellie Sep 2012 #46

I'm not sure that adage applies here, ronnie624 Sep 2012 #47

The fact there aren't riots or people being killed has to do with the context treestar Sep 2012 #57

With all due respect, horseshit leftynyc Sep 2012 #61

If we were in their position treestar Sep 2012 #62

Apparently if Christians wanted progressive to argue against 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #97

I was raised Protestant and am now Agnostic. I also find it offensive, and defend the artist's... slackmaster Sep 2012 #7

I remember this controversy. RiffRandell Sep 2012 #9

Swell, one more excuse for Giuliani to come back on the cable news channels and morning shows. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #10

I think if people were totally unaware that it was taken through urine, they'd think sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #14

It does look better than you think it's going to look (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #16

In the broadest sense, for me, "art" is anything formed, shaped, created by a human. SDjack Sep 2012 #18

People playing with their excrements is still considered art? redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #20

It asks a valid question about plastic icons Generic Other Sep 2012 #21

Every Christian who I show this to finds it beautiful. slampoet Sep 2012 #22

Maybe I'm Not Avant Garde, Chic, Or Hip Enough But I Find It Offensive DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #27

offensive no... just another emporer has no clothes whistler162 Sep 2012 #52

If it was a photoshop filter you wouldn't care. slampoet Sep 2012 #54

Was there a chocolate milk christ too? snooper2 Sep 2012 #133

That's what I was wondering, is there more to this treestar Sep 2012 #58

Anxiously awaiting the breathless explanations of how this work is "ZOMG hate speech!" and Romulox Sep 2012 #23

It has super-Jesusy status w/ extra God sauce 'cuz it's about "Faith" and "Religion"!!! Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #24

I think the artist has a right to do it. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #34

We're on the same page, then. Some DUers wanted the Islam filmmaker charged with a crime. nt Romulox Sep 2012 #56

I really don't understand why a Christian would find this offensive. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #30

Seminal fluid is a bodily substance DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #31

"Piss Christ" is not called "Golden Shower Christ." ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #35

Someone already created art comprising the Virgin Mary smeared with elephant feces. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #43

Mary was also "smeared" with oil paint, polyester resin and glitter. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #59

It is worth noting that a vandal actually smeared this piece with white paint Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #82

I bet it would surprise you to learn that Ofili's portait of the Vigin Mary gave me Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #79

cow wingzeroday Sep 2012 #91

You do not get to decide what others find offensive. Zax2me Sep 2012 #89

I have not told anyone what to find offensive, I have only expressed confusion for the offense. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #106

meh. Another facile and hamfisted attempt at making a point masquerading as art dmallind Sep 2012 #32

I understand with the right light it's quite beautiful ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #33

It's a photograph. The light is in the photograph. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #80

So on display it just sits there? ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #130

They usually hang photographs to display them. Mariana Sep 2012 #135

You can take the piss out of New York kenny blankenship Sep 2012 #36

Sister Wendy on Piss Christ (Part 6) xchrom Sep 2012 #50

Gotta love Sister Wendy! Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #60

That was great Politicub Sep 2012 #68

As someone who was brought up Catholic, I think it's kind of an interesting piece. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #53

While this "art" offends me, it is free speech bluestateguy Sep 2012 #55

Just in case folks don't know... it is a photograph cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #63

It's a photograph marions ghost Sep 2012 #73

On some level, this is the most successful artist in many years Nevernose Sep 2012 #65

Hell all I can think is that the guy's dehydrated. nolabear Sep 2012 #66

People who get outraged over this completely validate the artist's point Major Nikon Sep 2012 #70

^^^ this ^^^ nt bunnies Sep 2012 #81

the world of high art = corrupt HiPointDem Sep 2012 #72

Like everything else... marions ghost Sep 2012 #74

it's not about thinking, it's about the benjamins. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #75

Sure like every other commodity marions ghost Sep 2012 #76

anything bought & promoted by rich people will have an audience. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #77

I'm with you sneering at the excess of luxury commodities marions ghost Sep 2012 #93

i'm not slamming it as commodity, i'm slamming it as tax dodge & money-laundering facility. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #94

Rich people don't decide what is art-- marions ghost Sep 2012 #95

oh but they do. with their dollars, which fund the museums, curators, media people, "in-crowd" etc. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #96

I know about this world... marions ghost Sep 2012 #98

your relationship to the high art world, as i understand it, parallels the relationship of any HiPointDem Sep 2012 #99

Ok we can disagree... marions ghost Sep 2012 #104

it's not a question of individuals 'selling out'. it's a question of control, direction, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #105

mythos of "the artist" marions ghost Sep 2012 #107

very far apart indeed, which is why it's better we just agree to disagree. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #109

Applied Arts depend on art in general marions ghost Sep 2012 #127

no, what i think is that the definitions of 'art' in this thread are meaningless. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #129

you have a comrade in that line of thinking.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #134

I always found this work profound and deeply spiritual MikeE Sep 2012 #78

as do i. it's a sublime piece. NuttyFluffers Sep 2012 #83

Interesting interpretation. I like this. n/t vaberella Sep 2012 #101

As a combination of things revered and reviled rrneck Sep 2012 #86

Will there be riots? Murders? Zax2me Sep 2012 #87

If he had said he had soaked it in ammonia and uric acid, would it have had the same reaction? GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #88

#christianrage Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #90

In all honesty before I read what I was seeing I thought the art was gorgeous. vaberella Sep 2012 #100

Like Guns, Art doesn't kill, steal, or incite riots orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #102

I always thought the piece consisted of an actual container of urine with the kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #103

Ok that does it! I want to go kill whoever did this. L0oniX Sep 2012 #108

Just looking at the picture and not the whole exibit it looks like sunset. craigmatic Sep 2012 #111

I hope Serrano is drinking more water these days. n/t leeroysphitz Sep 2012 #113

If that was water the crucifix was in, that photo would be in every Christian church in the world jmowreader Sep 2012 #114

right and how do we even know it was urine? marions ghost Sep 2012 #131

He claims it was five gallons of urine jmowreader Sep 2012 #132

LOL right marions ghost Sep 2012 #136

Part of the trick of light is the phosphorescense unique to urine Bucky Sep 2012 #142

I have always found it curiously beautiful daleo Sep 2012 #117

Art doesn't offend me, republicans do. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #126

Sweet, I have a piece of Serranos work... GumboYaYa Sep 2012 #128