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tblue37

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37. They are probably low-information voters who have always *identified* as
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:02 AM
Sep 2012

Republicans, for whatever reason, and are not informed enough, introspective enough, or self-aware enough to reconsider their party identification.

Most Americans, especially Republicans but not just Republicans, treat party identification the way they treat loyalty to their local sports teams: they cheer "their" side and despise "their" opponents with as much (as little) logic or reason.

Let me offer an example of what I mean as it plays out in another field:

Here at the University of Kansas, I have long been repulsed by newspaper articles published every time the newest incarnation of the (now defunct) "Border War" between KU and Missouri would come around. In fact, I was thrilled when Missouri decided to leave the Big 12 so I wouldn't have to read such articles any more.

Every year, the articles would quote people in town and on campus, including not just students and people around town, but also prominent businessmen, coaches, and professors. They would all be going on about how much they "hate" the University of Missouri and the students, faculty, coaches, and players of the school. And Missouri's people would return the favor. For example, their coach would always fully gas up the team's bus before leaving Missouri to play at KU because, as he explained, he hated Kansas so much that he didn't want any Kansas gas station to make a penny from his team, and he didn't want the state of Kansas to earn a penny of tax money from them.

The hatred between the two schools (and their home cities and states) would also erupt into vandalism and physical violence sometimes, and though Missouri tended to go that way a bit more often than Kansas did, both were certainly capable of such behavior.

The excuse both sides offered for the hatreds displayed over this absurd "Border War" was that it originated in the border war between the anti-slavery Kansas militias (Jayhawkers) and the Missouri militias, especially Quantrill's notorious marauders.

But no one in either state or school was there during the original border war preceding the Civil War, and many of the people (most, undoubtedly) in either city or school are transplants from other states and countries, so they have no reason to bear a grudge for something that in no way touched them or anyone close to them.

But the mindless hatred was gleefully stoked every year with such articles, with speeches by coaches and even some professors and administrators, and also by well-known boosters. Here at KU new freshmen were deliberately indoctrinated into that hatred as part of their introduction to the school's "traditions." I am quite certain that something similar went on at the University of Missouri.

My beloved extended family on my father's side are mostly (maybe even all) fervent Republicans.

My father’s parents came to America from Sicily in the early 20th century. Dad’s family are Republicans, and quite vocal about it. I am an extremely liberal Democrat. (In fact, I am only a Dem because they are the only viable alternative to the Republicans. Frankly, the Democratic Party is far too conservative for me!) I never talk politics with them, because I do not want to get into heated arguments that will not change their minds, but will certainly drive a wedge between me and some of the most wonderful people I know.

I adore these members of my family, and I know them to be as good as people can possibly be. They truly are good, gentle people, and I love them dearly. But they are also Repubicans, and because of their party identification, they also watch a lot of FOX, because it supports Republicans, and thus they get their misinformation powerfully reinforced and their frustrations stoked by doing so.

The human mind is not really built for rational analysis, and especially not built for performing logical, dispassionate macroanalysis of that which does not directly, immediately impact the individual. On the other hand, it is built for tribal identification and loyalty and for powerful reactions to perceived threats.

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It would have been such a small thing annabanana Sep 2012 #1
OMG Skittles Sep 2012 #2
Is that really his mom? Cracklin Charlie Sep 2012 #9
I don't think so. I think he was comparing her to his mom and tblue37 Sep 2012 #30
he is still awesome! Skittles Sep 2012 #42
Republicans just seem to be sociopaths these days tavalon Sep 2012 #3
I had to quit face book Cracklin Charlie Sep 2012 #11
I quit face book for the same reason. The rightwing radicals are loudsue Sep 2012 #52
I just block the assholes. GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #72
If I was there, I would have paid the postage for her. Was there not one person there with a heart? jillan Sep 2012 #4
That is what I would have done also. nt bluestate10 Sep 2012 #15
I would too. I now give money to homeless people whenever I see them if I can, in honor of sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #40
Right on, Sabrina. Bohunk68 Sep 2012 #62
Great post theinquisitivechad Sep 2012 #5
There is more at work here than that me b zola Sep 2012 #53
Matthew 25:40 TomClash Sep 2012 #6
They hate most parts of the New Testament ladym55 Sep 2012 #23
Sad but true. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #41
I loaded that into my Dad's funeral Mass last week Patiod Sep 2012 #46
You father sounds like a great man TomClash Sep 2012 #79
Like a lot of his peers in "the Greatest Generation", he was a mix Patiod Sep 2012 #80
I met Strummer too TomClash Sep 2012 #83
He met him at St. Anne's Warehouse Patiod Sep 2012 #84
Colbert nailed it: CrispyQ Sep 2012 #48
Exactly Flaxbee Sep 2012 #49
I had a friend - a tolerant, open minded, Christian. CrispyQ Sep 2012 #50
Indeed Mr Joad Rocks amuse bouche Sep 2012 #7
+1,000. freshwest Sep 2012 #8
Proud to rec this. Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #10
Interesting that the so called Christians treestar Sep 2012 #12
From Leon Russell... WinstonSmith4740 Sep 2012 #36
Yep. Probably the reason they are so angry is the Obama button. treestar Sep 2012 #58
I like this Tom Joad riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #13
Reagan Conservative Is a fucking ASS HangOnKids Sep 2012 #14
The poor lady evokes an angry response from the puke simply for being poor? So angry you don't know Ed Suspicious Sep 2012 #16
^^^^This^^^^ HangOnKids Sep 2012 #18
More accurately, because she's vulnerable. Marr Sep 2012 #24
+1 JoeyT Sep 2012 #54
OMG - go look at this post on FB! dorkzilla Sep 2012 #17
Oh now that is REALLY good to know! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2012 #34
It's only a matter of time before these people start acting out violently. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #19
Then we need to build sulphurdunn Sep 2012 #60
Ya know, I really believe if these people weren't constantly fed by the Right they would become,.. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #61
Of course. sulphurdunn Sep 2012 #67
He waited for the movie to come out. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #74
Probably bullshit too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #20
Of course it was! That's B Calm Sep 2012 #77
At least the commenters knew better. Courtesy Flush Sep 2012 #21
Go Tom Joad mikki35 Sep 2012 #22
The Reagan cultist is a sick, amoral, heartless s.o.b. RVN VET Sep 2012 #26
Your argument would be more persuasive mikki35 Sep 2012 #29
They are probably low-information voters who have always *identified* as tblue37 Sep 2012 #37
No excuse in this day and age mikki35 Sep 2012 #45
I so agree about that ridiculous border war proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #68
I think a LOT of people's Republican friends are seeing things differently these days. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #39
I know some that would too. JoeyT Sep 2012 #56
Anyone who is still voting Republican Doctor_J Sep 2012 #66
This Facebook poster really likes Ayn Rand young_at_heart Sep 2012 #25
Dammit, I lived near Encino for 12 years. Bette Noir Sep 2012 #27
"Even as you have done it unto one of the least of these, you have done it to me." Jesus cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #28
Thanks for saying this Timbuk3 Sep 2012 #32
That's The Face Of An Angel Timbuk3 Sep 2012 #31
"You're welcome." I'll second that motion!! patrice Sep 2012 #33
That kind of rethug is it's OWN attack on Christmas. The MEANING of Christmas. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #35
Republicans have no heart. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #38
I find myself doubting the entire "Reagan Conservative's" story. Hugin Sep 2012 #43
I've never believed that story Reagan told. It's gotta be bullshit. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #44
The giveaway was "tried to pay with food stamps". BULLSHIT. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #47
That was my second thought while reading that s**t. DollarBillHines Sep 2012 #55
I think the EBT (Food Stamps) at least in California, are plastic cards cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #57
Thank You For Your Concern. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #59
U ROCK Mr. Joad!!!!! skeewee08 Sep 2012 #51
The absolute hatred of those towards the poor and suffering is baffling Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #63
Blame Ayn Rand Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #71
I really can't wait Doctor_J Sep 2012 #64
It's all about selfishness with repugs. n/t Hotler Sep 2012 #65
The real difference between Democrats and Republicans jmowreader Sep 2012 #69
That idiot doesn't even know the difference between welfare and food stamps. GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #75
I probably would've paid for the mailing myself. If it was less than $20. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #70
Food Stamps went out 8 fucking years ago idiot! They were replaced with electronic benefits and debi JDStone Sep 2012 #73
Had to block my sister on Facebook grr8wine Sep 2012 #76
Nice rant but "Reagan Conservative" is lying. pa28 Sep 2012 #78
Republican Jesus FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #81
I absolutely love the smackdown. This conservative asshat is a disgrace to christianity. Nt desertduck Sep 2012 #82
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