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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
6. Not likely to succeed on that theory in America.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:30 AM
Sep 2012

Insulting someone won't typically fly as the "cause" of a violent response. A sign reading, "Everyone in this building is mass-murdering rapist; please kill them all via the attached flamethrower" would be a different matter.

But did anything like that happen with the film in question? It does appear to have been a deliberate attempt to incite violence, and was accompanied by other acts, including lying about who made it and perhaps coordinating in its promotion and distribution to create the maximum possible chaos. There may have been other acts along the way that went beyond just the film itself and into the realm of overtly inciting violence that could be criminal or tortious. Some of those acts probably weren't committed by the filmmakers though.

The filmmaker falsely claimed to be an Israeli American, backed by Jewish Americans, presumably to inflame Muslim / Jewish tensions and anti-American sentiment as well. But who brought the film to the attention of Muslim clerics? Translated it into Arabic? Who kicked off the outrage precisely on Sept. 11? Who suggested the riots would be good cover for a coordinated extremist attack using military-grade weaponry?

It's great we've had this very theoretical debate here about the Heckler's Veto and free speech and the backward views of much of the Muslim world, but this film was also a deliberate ploy played out with great care and attention to detail,and it worked, to horrendous effect, to hurt a lot of people.

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Take a break. nt Skip Intro Sep 2012 #1
Would seem so to me. safeinOhio Sep 2012 #2
What this has to do with the OP's cockamamie example, IDK. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #14
Extremely doubtful. COLGATE4 Sep 2012 #3
The First Amendment applies to civil actions based on protected speech. onenote Sep 2012 #4
I wonder... redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #19
They were dismissed because of the First Amendment onenote Sep 2012 #24
The actors may have a case.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #5
Not likely to succeed on that theory in America. DirkGently Sep 2012 #6
Should be brush Sep 2012 #7
She's not one of the backers of the movie oberliner Sep 2012 #23
I don't know brush Sep 2012 #28
The odd thing is that, were it not for the violent riots, the existence of this JDPriestly Sep 2012 #27
The idea that the lame anti-Islam video is the cause of the violence in Islamic countries is absurd slackmaster Sep 2012 #8
Absurd? brush Sep 2012 #9
Weak response slackmaster Sep 2012 #10
Agreed brush Sep 2012 #11
If the provocateurs didn't have that video, I'm confident they would have found something else slackmaster Sep 2012 #12
But they're protesting in Australia, Indonesia, the UK, Germany... none of these are "backward" riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #18
Point conceded. The protesters are backward, not necessarily the countries. slackmaster Sep 2012 #22
"the use of its existence by provocateurs" cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #17
Huh? brush Sep 2012 #25
How about if we sue YOU for YOUR words? Oh, wait; you think you are EXEMPT from your own idea? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #13
Simple answer: Yes, but only on an individual level. Public figures are pretty much immune. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #15
I was thinking of the individual level. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #20
You sort of have to mention a name to be liable. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #21
Yes, and I hope they get sued for wrognful death nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #16
It could be treestar Sep 2012 #26
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