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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
21. Rachel Bitecofer somehow believes nobody changes their mind
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 09:31 PM
Sep 2020

That elections are all about turnout. It is palpably ridiculous. Hillary lost because swing voters did change their minds. The fact that there were huge number of late undecideds in 2016, compared to very few in 2012, and an in-between number this year serves in itself to discredit Rachel Bitecofer's chief thesis. Comey altered history in 2016 because he impacted preference, not turnout.

Anyway, Biden is in very good shape but the mistake Charlie Cook and others have made is assuming Trump cannot make up ground in significant categories from 2016. That is blatantly wrong. I posted years ago that Trump would fare better than expected with Hispanics in 2020, simply because Hispanics always have strange loyalty to a presidential incumbent. Trump also figures to make up ground with ideological partisans. He got only 81% of the conservative vote in 2016, losing 5% to Gary Johnson in one state after another. In fact, the reason Trump won Pennsylvania and Wisconsin is that he did not suffer nearly as much crossover loss in those states. Trump managed 85% in those two states. If it had been the national number of 81% or even as low as 83% he would have lost both states.

We have to expect Trump will receive at least the 84-85% range nationally this year among conservatives. That's why all the anecdotal stuff means nothing regarding certain Republicans endorsing Biden. We may have heard those names but the overall trend is going to be the other way.

Swing independents will decide this election. That is the type of voter Rachel Bitecofer tries to pretend does not exist. Meanwhile, Independents went for Trump by 4% in 2016 then favored Democrats by 12% in the 2018 midterm. Independents moved away from Trump early in 2017 and have remained in our camp by roughly 10% margin. It really is the only category that means anything. If Biden retains a healthy edge among independents he'll be fine. If not we're on the way to fascism. Turnout means squat compared to preference among independents.

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This is the 2nd one of these I have heard. I have heard enough of the be afraid group as I LizBeth Sep 2020 #1
I Believe Cook To Be Correct Me. Sep 2020 #4
I do not think any of us is going to take it for granted with the criminal/cheating Trump. LizBeth Sep 2020 #17
The Media... Mike Nelson Sep 2020 #2
That Is So True Me. Sep 2020 #5
One thing I like about Cook... DrToast Sep 2020 #3
Good to see, but there's always putin. elleng Sep 2020 #6
THere Is Me. Sep 2020 #9
tramp IS going to help him try to beat us. elleng Sep 2020 #10
Of Course He Will Me. Sep 2020 #13
HOw About POsitive Axtion? Me. Sep 2020 #22
I hope Cook is right and Trump takes the down ballot SharonClark Sep 2020 #7
What Charlie Cook points out is that those who voted third party or didn't vote in 2016, most will still_one Sep 2020 #8
Cook got praise as well from Rachael Bitecofer for saying the race is not even close!! Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #11
I Did Not Know That Me. Sep 2020 #12
Rachel Bitecofer somehow believes nobody changes their mind Awsi Dooger Sep 2020 #21
I really hope so. Miigwech Sep 2020 #14
He is on the James Carville War Room podcast from last week bdjhawk Sep 2020 #15
The truth is... Tones2345 Sep 2020 #16
Arkansas is not in play. Trust me Patterson Sep 2020 #20
FYI, He declared the race in 2016 over on October 14 andym Sep 2020 #18
Actually he does agree with most. grantcart Sep 2020 #19
I will not breath a sigh aquamarina Sep 2020 #23
2016 Snackshack Sep 2020 #24
the media wanted a RACE so they made it so. RATINGS. pansypoo53219 Sep 2020 #26
the MEdia wants a CLOSER race FOR RATINGS. fuck democracy. they want RATINGS! pansypoo53219 Sep 2020 #25
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