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onenote

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24. They were dismissed because of the First Amendment
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:21 PM
Sep 2012

From the opinion in Hustler v. Falwell:

"At the heart of the First Amendment is the recognition of the fundamental importance of the free flow of ideas and opinions on matters of public interest and concern. "The freedom to speak one's mind is not only an aspect of individual liberty -- and thus a good unto itself -- but also is essential to the common quest for truth and the vitality of society as a whole." [CITATION OMITTED].We have therefore been particularly vigilant to ensure that individual expressions of ideas remain free from governmentally imposed sanctions. The First Amendment recognizes no such thing as a "false" idea. As Justice Holmes wrote, "When men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas -- that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market . . . ." [CITATION OMITTED]
....Generally speaking the law does not regard the intent to inflict emotional distress as one which should receive much solicitude, and it is quite understandable that most if not all jurisdictions have chosen to make it civilly culpable where the conduct in question is sufficiently "outrageous." But in the world of debate about public affairs, many things done with motives that are less than admirable are protected by the First Amendment."....
"Debate on public issues will not be uninhibited if the speaker must run the risk that it will be proved in court that he spoke out of hatred; even if he did speak out of hatred, utterances honestly believed contribute to the free interchange of ideas and the ascertainment of truth."[CITATION OMITTED]. Thus while such a bad motive may be deemed controlling for purposes of tort liability in other areas of the law, we think the First Amendment prohibits such a result in the area of public debate about public figures."


In Phelps,the court further explained that where the speech relates to a matter of public, rather than purely private, concern, the First Amendment restrains the imposition of civil liability.

In short, the controlling factor is not whether the case is criminal or civil or whether the elements of the tort were "subjective"... its whether the speech at issue is protected or not.

Finally, turning back to your original example, the "prankster" couldn't be held liable, even if the poster was deemed purely private speech because it would not be possible to prove that the attack on Group A was foreseeable to a prankster who didn't know Group A was in the building.

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Take a break. nt Skip Intro Sep 2012 #1
Would seem so to me. safeinOhio Sep 2012 #2
What this has to do with the OP's cockamamie example, IDK. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #14
Extremely doubtful. COLGATE4 Sep 2012 #3
The First Amendment applies to civil actions based on protected speech. onenote Sep 2012 #4
I wonder... redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #19
They were dismissed because of the First Amendment onenote Sep 2012 #24
The actors may have a case.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #5
Not likely to succeed on that theory in America. DirkGently Sep 2012 #6
Should be brush Sep 2012 #7
She's not one of the backers of the movie oberliner Sep 2012 #23
I don't know brush Sep 2012 #28
The odd thing is that, were it not for the violent riots, the existence of this JDPriestly Sep 2012 #27
The idea that the lame anti-Islam video is the cause of the violence in Islamic countries is absurd slackmaster Sep 2012 #8
Absurd? brush Sep 2012 #9
Weak response slackmaster Sep 2012 #10
Agreed brush Sep 2012 #11
If the provocateurs didn't have that video, I'm confident they would have found something else slackmaster Sep 2012 #12
But they're protesting in Australia, Indonesia, the UK, Germany... none of these are "backward" riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #18
Point conceded. The protesters are backward, not necessarily the countries. slackmaster Sep 2012 #22
"the use of its existence by provocateurs" cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #17
Huh? brush Sep 2012 #25
How about if we sue YOU for YOUR words? Oh, wait; you think you are EXEMPT from your own idea? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #13
Simple answer: Yes, but only on an individual level. Public figures are pretty much immune. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #15
I was thinking of the individual level. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #20
You sort of have to mention a name to be liable. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #21
Yes, and I hope they get sued for wrognful death nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #16
It could be treestar Sep 2012 #26
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