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AdamGG

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106. I understand the motivation, but think it would backfire

Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:54 PM

Sep 2020

like it did on FDR. They highlight it quite a bit in FDR's American Experience biography. He tried to stack the court because the Harding/Coolidge/Hoover appointees were ruling all of his new deal programs unconstitutional. The only reason FDR eventually didn't need to do it was because he got elected 4 times and was able to replace most of the court himself.

As much as I want the 5-4 conservative majority to finally end, to a lot of independent voters, formally changing the system so that your side can get more votes would alienate them. I know that the # of justices isn't fixed in the Constitution and theoretically wouldn't have a problem with it, but the optics would be horrible. Fox and the right would have a field day with it.

We would compound losing the Supreme Court with losing Congress. I saw the 2008 "supermajority" dissolve very quickly. If we take both houses of Congress again, it's important that we retain it for much longer than that.

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I will NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2016 [View all] still_one Sep 2020 OP

Same here! Rorey Sep 2020 #1

I have no doubt RBG tried to hang on as long as possible. She was one courageous person, and still_one Sep 2020 #4

Yes. Truly a hero. Rorey Sep 2020 #7

I agree, she clearly held on as long as possible. Rest in Power, RBG BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2020 #90

I wrote RBG when Obama was in office before we lost the Senate and begged her to retire. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #13

I agree Rorey Sep 2020 #15

My theory. moondust Sep 2020 #16

Sure could have retired earlier that Scalia died. zaj Sep 2020 #26

In 2015 moondust Sep 2020 #39

Except that if Biden dies, his office doesn't become a right wing lifetime appointment AdamGG Sep 2020 #49

As some have already suggested, moondust Sep 2020 #53

FDR tried to do that in his 2nd term and failed AdamGG Sep 2020 #58

Nina Totenberg on with Rachel now moondust Sep 2020 #65

I disagree. AZ8theist Sep 2020 #76

I understand the motivation, but think it would backfire AdamGG Sep 2020 #106

This thread is most Democrats internal debate. mjvpi Sep 2020 #169

Obama compromised too much, but I think restructuring the court would be a step too far AdamGG Sep 2020 #178

I do hear what you are saying. mjvpi Sep 2020 #183

The sports references are great AdamGG Sep 2020 #196

Me, often a cynic, says don't go there bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #40

Yup Catch2.2 Sep 2020 #23

I received all kinds of flak on when I suggested that Skittles Sep 2020 #25

I strongly advocated for her retirement while we still held the senate under Obama. PTWB Sep 2020 #92

ditto Skittles Sep 2020 #95

Did Dems hold the senate? JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2020 #146

She wouldn't have been replaced by a Dem. Remember Merrick Garland nomination? SharonAnn Sep 2020 #59

Democrats held the Senate for six years during Obama 2009-2015. former9thward Sep 2020 #100

But 40 Republicans could stop a nomination. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2020 #149

The Democrats could have changed the rules. former9thward Sep 2020 #151

Me neither DownriverDem Sep 2020 #138

I am that angry right now. LizBeth Sep 2020 #2

Me either. apcalc Sep 2020 #3

Same here. LiberalLoner Sep 2020 #5

It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is... NurseJackie Sep 2020 #6

Don't forget about Eddie Glaude jr. Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #9

I really dislike that person Gothmog Sep 2020 #128

Although he chose to vote only down ballot, moonscape Sep 2020 #163

Not really Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #164

That is who came to mind when I read the OP Mike 03 Sep 2020 #22

Whack job cost us valuable votes. dreamland Sep 2020 #24

She, and all the Stein voters, mcar Sep 2020 #78

Sarandon and stein voters knew that the SCOTUS was on the ballot Gothmog Sep 2020 #129

She got herself a big juicy tax cut out of it all Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 #157

Susan Sarandon is dead to me. Beacool Sep 2020 #186

Why couldn't it have been the orange man in the WH!!! still_one Sep 2020 #8

69,654,971 voted against Hillary in 2016. Mariana Sep 2020 #10

Where do you get that figure? Traitor get 62 million. niyad Sep 2020 #57

The various third party tickets got 7 million votes. former9thward Sep 2020 #103

Democrats elected trump by not voting. marie999 Sep 2020 #176

They helped elect Trump alright and now we are facing a 6-3 court Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #11

I really don't want to let my emotion overcome my rationality. But I am so with you..... Claustrum Sep 2020 #12

or the ones who pretended Russia didn't fix this for him. nt Baltimike Sep 2020 #14

Yup! Here's your protest vote Bernie Bros... SKKY Sep 2020 #17

And fuck the alert brigade as well. nt Codeine Sep 2020 #30

Yep, who is happier that they "owned" the libs today? Righty or that other group? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #67

Exactly!! kairos12 Sep 2020 #18

now I feel like America died demtenjeep Sep 2020 #19

No. Now we need to be more motivated than ever to win the WH and both houses of Congress. Remove still_one Sep 2020 #21

Start a letter writing campaign now to Chuck Schumer, for instance if he starts an impeachment Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #68

This nt Sunsky Sep 2020 #20

They are STUPID fucking assholes. dalton99a Sep 2020 #27

And Gore in 2000. None of those people are progressives and don't give JI7 Sep 2020 #28

My friend in SF, a Gay Black Woman, tells me how much she dislikes this group, lots of them Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #71

Democrats do DownriverDem Sep 2020 #139

Join me in remembering that Hillary won the election in 2016. Unfortunately, tRUMP won the abqtommy Sep 2020 #29

And states he allegedly won, he didnt. Putin hacked Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #72

I know. ellie Sep 2020 #31

Blame non-voters. Left bashing is useless Sympthsical Sep 2020 #32

And most of those non voters would come down on our side of things too Ligyron Sep 2020 #46

Why bother people can GTH: Ruth was a fighter, so we must be appalachiablue Sep 2020 #195

Right on! Ligyron Sep 2020 #200

OK, I'll blame them... mcar Sep 2020 #84

No. Those people spread constant disinformation. SlogginThroughIt Sep 2020 #96

The whole goal of those "leftists" you speak of was DIVISION. MrsCoffee Sep 2020 #154

Exactly. They contribute to making nonvoters feel justified in sitting it out... nt Blasphemer Sep 2020 #167

We NEED to call out their BS. JI7 Sep 2020 #198

+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #199

It was if their numbers were greater than the amount by treestar Sep 2020 #174

Nor will I. EVER DFW Sep 2020 #33

Remember how they said it wasn't important mcar Sep 2020 #88

I'm not giving up my German legal residence any time soon. DFW Sep 2020 #110

Well said. yardwork Sep 2020 #162

I agree RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #34

Same here. Politicub Sep 2020 #35

It made me sick then and does now. 33taw Sep 2020 #36

Amen TheDemsshouldhireme Sep 2020 #37

+1 oasis Sep 2020 #203

Me either, THE FAWKING BASTARDS.... a kennedy Sep 2020 #38

Look as a Bernie person I DID voted for HRC mntleo2 Sep 2020 #41

My OP was not directed at Bernie, or anyone who voted for the Democratic nominee still_one Sep 2020 #43

but the reactions reveal a lot of truth JI7 Sep 2020 #123

What does m'kay mean? BlueLucy Sep 2020 #62

Good Question! mntleo2 Sep 2020 #116

I am the same, and I read the OP quite differently AngryOldDem Sep 2020 #104

Yeah they were mostly young voters mntleo2 Sep 2020 #111

FDR supported internment of Japanese Americans. It's nice you are ok with that JI7 Sep 2020 #122

Don't forget he also turned his back on lynchings in the south BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #180

Oh yeah? FDR had so many Coalitions like VP Cha Sep 2020 #177

This is vomit inducing BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #179

At Hillary's request, Walton set up an environmental advisory group. "Hillary's store" was an betsuni Sep 2020 #115

Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #119

so much fucking bullshit. You support gun nut enablers JI7 Sep 2020 #120

That's the propaganda fantasy Hillary. Wrong. Her class? She's from a middle class background. betsuni Sep 2020 #121

It sure as hell does.. Cha Sep 2020 #175

I still don't know what the hell an "FDR Democrat" is. betsuni Sep 2020 #184

I think of FDR as a Democratic President who had a Huge Coalition Cha Sep 2020 #185

Then Biden is totally an FDR Democrat! betsuni Sep 2020 #191

I'm glad we got that straightened out! Cha Sep 2020 #192

Not your typical "corporatist Democrat", eh? George II Sep 2020 #182

Democrats who voted for Bush were conservatives. Greens are Frauds JI7 Sep 2020 #117

Sanders opposed Gun Control and lacks record of getting anything done JI7 Sep 2020 #118

+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #130

Except you are still doing it dansolo Sep 2020 #201

+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #202

But.....but...... muntrv Sep 2020 #42

I'm not sure that I have a comment to this other than OldManTarHeel Sep 2020 #44

I will NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2016 FelineOverlord Sep 2020 #45

I think I love you Chili Sep 2020 #52

I think I love you FelineOverlord Sep 2020 #63

And not just the ones who actually didnt vote for her but the ones who did but made sure Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #73

Well said- I'm am so furious! Tumbulu Sep 2020 #107

oh you are awesome! Chili Sep 2020 #83

Al Giordano just blocked me BainsBane Sep 2020 #55

Democrat House & Senate Morgunn47 Sep 2020 #47

yes still_one Sep 2020 #48

Ditto riverwalker Sep 2020 #50

200% relayerbob Sep 2020 #51

They got the SCOTUS they wanted BainsBane Sep 2020 #54

Their niece or granddaughter will want an abortion and have to risk their lives to get one Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #75

Or they'll want to force their girlfriend to have one BainsBane Sep 2020 #80

HAtred of Women and love of guns is what they are all about. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #82

same here. AllaN01Bear Sep 2020 #56

I was this angry BEFORE the great RBG died, but now the damage is going to be Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #60

Hey, Let's don't forget lonely bird Sep 2020 #61

No lets forget them, they never vote..the folks we are talking about are very active Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #77

THIS. MH1 Sep 2020 #97

Yup, their goal was the same as MAGASHIT JI7 Sep 2020 #125

They're no different from children making noise. Rizen Sep 2020 #64

And, Especially those who Lied about Hillary & Cha Sep 2020 #66

Many of us talked about how bad a mistake it was to act so childish after the election Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #79

Blast them right to hell mcar Sep 2020 #89

Yes they need to take those they helped Cha Sep 2020 #94

also those fucking reporters who screwed who over and didn't take Trump seriously LymphocyteLover Sep 2020 #69

2000 election WcoastO Sep 2020 #70

Anyone who voted Stein, didn't vote, voted IMPOTUS, mcar Sep 2020 #74

And not ONE of them that I know of has apologized or admitted they were wrong Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #81

They are here, tonight, mcar Sep 2020 #85

Yes, they are, they stalk me constantly...i feel bad but I also know that putin and GOP are going Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #87

You can say that but remember... Woodycall Sep 2020 #86

Why does that matter? SlogginThroughIt Sep 2020 #99

POC can't be assholes? Codeine Sep 2020 #101

Let's see the statistics. Tumbulu Sep 2020 #108

Especially from someone who states that they are "undecided" about who they support for POTUS. ehrnst Sep 2020 #143

The POC who did it are assholes also. But most were white JI7 Sep 2020 #126

Besides new voter ID laws, "A more important explanation for the drop in African American turnout betsuni Sep 2020 #133

POC are in most voting demographics, and yes there are some Trump supporters of Color. ehrnst Sep 2020 #141

You may want to tell that to those here who stated that Dems in southern states that went for Biden ehrnst Sep 2020 #145

It goes back further than that Ghost of Tom Joad Sep 2020 #91

Ya goddammed right. Happy Hoosier Sep 2020 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #98

I will never forget, never forgive. Stupid, arrogant, selfish, unforgivable. betsuni Sep 2020 #102

Agreed MFM008 Sep 2020 #105

Jill Stain and Susan Sarandonald Blue Owl Sep 2020 #109

Grudges don't mater now. It's over. herding cats Sep 2020 #112

I'm with you. I could write ecstatic Sep 2020 #113

Me either!... Aristus Sep 2020 #114

Neither will I, still_one. Neither will I Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2020 #124

Hillary tried to warn us Gothmog Sep 2020 #127

The ones who hated her also hated RBG . They got their perverted sleaze Kavanaugh JI7 Sep 2020 #131

From Rachel Bitecofer Gothmog Sep 2020 #132

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2020 #142

👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Tarheel_Dem Sep 2020 #134

Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #135

+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #136

I can do forgiveness, but it doesn't lessen the pain in my heart. n/t cynatnite Sep 2020 #137

She warned us of this very situation back in 2015: ehrnst Sep 2020 #140

But she sent emails and was paid for a speech, she's "unlikable" and "I don't trust her." betsuni Sep 2020 #148

I know.... ehrnst Sep 2020 #155

Nor will I! BlueMTexpat Sep 2020 #144

GET OUT AND VOTE!! dicksmc3 Sep 2020 #147

And they're still reveling in their douchebaggery, too. Aristus Sep 2020 #150

Absolutely! Nitram Sep 2020 #152

⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Sep 2020 #153

I can never just like you llashram Sep 2020 #156

If there was not the motivation before, I think RBG will be that motivating factor still_one Sep 2020 #158

RBG agreed with you. Hortensis Sep 2020 #161

Agreed! Liberal In Red State Sep 2020 #159

That anger should also apply to... StarzGuy Sep 2020 #160

Orange blob marieo1 Sep 2020 #165

Please, just stop.... chwaliszewski Sep 2020 #166

Personally, I also hold Bernie responsible with his "they're all the same" bullshit. nt Blasphemer Sep 2020 #168

I don't want discourage people from Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #170

Do you mean the narcissists who required being "excited" by a candidate? dlk Sep 2020 #171

......I'm RIGHT BEHIND YOU, STILL...... titanicdave Sep 2020 #172

I hear ya, but NO ONE knew a monster criminal was coming. You can say Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #173

Who could have guessed he was a racist, sexist, and bigot. Calling Mexican immigrants rapists who still_one Sep 2020 #187

He's been on the covers of tabloids since the 80s, has planned to run, or actually run for president betsuni Sep 2020 #189

and we didn't have to go back that far, just observe the campaign he ran on. He didn't even still_one Sep 2020 #190

That's really the point, isn't it. He hid nothing, everything out loud in public. betsuni Sep 2020 #193

+++ still_one Sep 2020 #194

! Of course. But I have never read any predictions that he Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #204

It was obvious. "The ones Dems ignored." Why are you blaming Democrats? betsuni Sep 2020 #205

??? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #206

What? betsuni Sep 2020 #207

We will never know. It sure did give Republicans an excuse. Will never Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #208

Oh bullshit! hamsterjill Sep 2020 #209

Again - Hillary won the popular vote ... Jopin Klobe Sep 2020 #181

Neither will I. Beacool Sep 2020 #188

IMHO Hillary really won in 2016. Trump had the Russians do something in the swing states. UCmeNdc Sep 2020 #197

Total agreement here. hamsterjill Sep 2020 #210