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197. IMHO Hillary really won in 2016. Trump had the Russians do something in the swing states.

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:32 PM

Sep 2020

Hillary won.

Look at Trump's character. He will do anything to win. Look at Manafort and his Russian connections. Why did they give the Russians key voter data before the election?

Why did Trump spend so much campaign money on Cambridge Analytica, a data company based in Great Britain but had deep Russian connections to Putin?

IMHO to know how to flip the voting machines in key states.

In all of the investigations no one has really investigated Trump's money and his money connected to the Russians. Not really investigated how vulnerable the in person voting system is to computer hacking.

IMHO that is why Trump hates voting by mail. It leaves a paper trail which you cannot hack.

So I really believe Hillary Clinton actually won the 2016 election. Trump cheated.
Trump wants to cheat again in 2020 IMHO.

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I will NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2016 [View all] still_one Sep 2020 OP

Same here! Rorey Sep 2020 #1

I have no doubt RBG tried to hang on as long as possible. She was one courageous person, and still_one Sep 2020 #4

Yes. Truly a hero. Rorey Sep 2020 #7

I agree, she clearly held on as long as possible. Rest in Power, RBG BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2020 #90

I wrote RBG when Obama was in office before we lost the Senate and begged her to retire. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #13

I agree Rorey Sep 2020 #15

My theory. moondust Sep 2020 #16

Sure could have retired earlier that Scalia died. zaj Sep 2020 #26

In 2015 moondust Sep 2020 #39

Except that if Biden dies, his office doesn't become a right wing lifetime appointment AdamGG Sep 2020 #49

As some have already suggested, moondust Sep 2020 #53

FDR tried to do that in his 2nd term and failed AdamGG Sep 2020 #58

Nina Totenberg on with Rachel now moondust Sep 2020 #65

I disagree. AZ8theist Sep 2020 #76

I understand the motivation, but think it would backfire AdamGG Sep 2020 #106

This thread is most Democrats internal debate. mjvpi Sep 2020 #169

Obama compromised too much, but I think restructuring the court would be a step too far AdamGG Sep 2020 #178

I do hear what you are saying. mjvpi Sep 2020 #183

The sports references are great AdamGG Sep 2020 #196

Me, often a cynic, says don't go there bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #40

Yup Catch2.2 Sep 2020 #23

I received all kinds of flak on when I suggested that Skittles Sep 2020 #25

I strongly advocated for her retirement while we still held the senate under Obama. PTWB Sep 2020 #92

ditto Skittles Sep 2020 #95

Did Dems hold the senate? JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2020 #146

She wouldn't have been replaced by a Dem. Remember Merrick Garland nomination? SharonAnn Sep 2020 #59

Democrats held the Senate for six years during Obama 2009-2015. former9thward Sep 2020 #100

But 40 Republicans could stop a nomination. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2020 #149

The Democrats could have changed the rules. former9thward Sep 2020 #151

Me neither DownriverDem Sep 2020 #138

I am that angry right now. LizBeth Sep 2020 #2

Me either. apcalc Sep 2020 #3

Same here. LiberalLoner Sep 2020 #5

It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is... NurseJackie Sep 2020 #6

Don't forget about Eddie Glaude jr. Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #9

I really dislike that person Gothmog Sep 2020 #128

Although he chose to vote only down ballot, moonscape Sep 2020 #163

Not really Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #164

That is who came to mind when I read the OP Mike 03 Sep 2020 #22

Whack job cost us valuable votes. dreamland Sep 2020 #24

She, and all the Stein voters, mcar Sep 2020 #78

Sarandon and stein voters knew that the SCOTUS was on the ballot Gothmog Sep 2020 #129

She got herself a big juicy tax cut out of it all Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 #157

Susan Sarandon is dead to me. Beacool Sep 2020 #186

Why couldn't it have been the orange man in the WH!!! still_one Sep 2020 #8

69,654,971 voted against Hillary in 2016. Mariana Sep 2020 #10

Where do you get that figure? Traitor get 62 million. niyad Sep 2020 #57

The various third party tickets got 7 million votes. former9thward Sep 2020 #103

Democrats elected trump by not voting. marie999 Sep 2020 #176

They helped elect Trump alright and now we are facing a 6-3 court Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #11

I really don't want to let my emotion overcome my rationality. But I am so with you..... Claustrum Sep 2020 #12

or the ones who pretended Russia didn't fix this for him. nt Baltimike Sep 2020 #14

Yup! Here's your protest vote Bernie Bros... SKKY Sep 2020 #17

And fuck the alert brigade as well. nt Codeine Sep 2020 #30

Yep, who is happier that they "owned" the libs today? Righty or that other group? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #67

Exactly!! kairos12 Sep 2020 #18

now I feel like America died demtenjeep Sep 2020 #19

No. Now we need to be more motivated than ever to win the WH and both houses of Congress. Remove still_one Sep 2020 #21

Start a letter writing campaign now to Chuck Schumer, for instance if he starts an impeachment Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #68

This nt Sunsky Sep 2020 #20

They are STUPID fucking assholes. dalton99a Sep 2020 #27

And Gore in 2000. None of those people are progressives and don't give JI7 Sep 2020 #28

My friend in SF, a Gay Black Woman, tells me how much she dislikes this group, lots of them Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #71

Democrats do DownriverDem Sep 2020 #139

Join me in remembering that Hillary won the election in 2016. Unfortunately, tRUMP won the abqtommy Sep 2020 #29

And states he allegedly won, he didnt. Putin hacked Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #72

I know. ellie Sep 2020 #31

Blame non-voters. Left bashing is useless Sympthsical Sep 2020 #32

And most of those non voters would come down on our side of things too Ligyron Sep 2020 #46

Why bother people can GTH: Ruth was a fighter, so we must be appalachiablue Sep 2020 #195

Right on! Ligyron Sep 2020 #200

OK, I'll blame them... mcar Sep 2020 #84

No. Those people spread constant disinformation. SlogginThroughIt Sep 2020 #96

The whole goal of those "leftists" you speak of was DIVISION. MrsCoffee Sep 2020 #154

Exactly. They contribute to making nonvoters feel justified in sitting it out... nt Blasphemer Sep 2020 #167

We NEED to call out their BS. JI7 Sep 2020 #198

+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #199

It was if their numbers were greater than the amount by treestar Sep 2020 #174

Nor will I. EVER DFW Sep 2020 #33

Remember how they said it wasn't important mcar Sep 2020 #88

I'm not giving up my German legal residence any time soon. DFW Sep 2020 #110

Well said. yardwork Sep 2020 #162

I agree RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #34

Same here. Politicub Sep 2020 #35

It made me sick then and does now. 33taw Sep 2020 #36

Amen TheDemsshouldhireme Sep 2020 #37

+1 oasis Sep 2020 #203

Me either, THE FAWKING BASTARDS.... a kennedy Sep 2020 #38

Look as a Bernie person I DID voted for HRC mntleo2 Sep 2020 #41

My OP was not directed at Bernie, or anyone who voted for the Democratic nominee still_one Sep 2020 #43

but the reactions reveal a lot of truth JI7 Sep 2020 #123

What does m'kay mean? BlueLucy Sep 2020 #62

Good Question! mntleo2 Sep 2020 #116

I am the same, and I read the OP quite differently AngryOldDem Sep 2020 #104

Yeah they were mostly young voters mntleo2 Sep 2020 #111

FDR supported internment of Japanese Americans. It's nice you are ok with that JI7 Sep 2020 #122

Don't forget he also turned his back on lynchings in the south BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #180

Oh yeah? FDR had so many Coalitions like VP Cha Sep 2020 #177

This is vomit inducing BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #179

At Hillary's request, Walton set up an environmental advisory group. "Hillary's store" was an betsuni Sep 2020 #115

Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #119

so much fucking bullshit. You support gun nut enablers JI7 Sep 2020 #120

That's the propaganda fantasy Hillary. Wrong. Her class? She's from a middle class background. betsuni Sep 2020 #121

It sure as hell does.. Cha Sep 2020 #175

I still don't know what the hell an "FDR Democrat" is. betsuni Sep 2020 #184

I think of FDR as a Democratic President who had a Huge Coalition Cha Sep 2020 #185

Then Biden is totally an FDR Democrat! betsuni Sep 2020 #191

I'm glad we got that straightened out! Cha Sep 2020 #192

Not your typical "corporatist Democrat", eh? George II Sep 2020 #182

Democrats who voted for Bush were conservatives. Greens are Frauds JI7 Sep 2020 #117

Sanders opposed Gun Control and lacks record of getting anything done JI7 Sep 2020 #118

+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #130

Except you are still doing it dansolo Sep 2020 #201

+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #202

But.....but...... muntrv Sep 2020 #42

I'm not sure that I have a comment to this other than OldManTarHeel Sep 2020 #44

I will NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2016 FelineOverlord Sep 2020 #45

I think I love you Chili Sep 2020 #52

I think I love you FelineOverlord Sep 2020 #63

And not just the ones who actually didnt vote for her but the ones who did but made sure Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #73

Well said- I'm am so furious! Tumbulu Sep 2020 #107

oh you are awesome! Chili Sep 2020 #83

Al Giordano just blocked me BainsBane Sep 2020 #55

Democrat House & Senate Morgunn47 Sep 2020 #47

yes still_one Sep 2020 #48

Ditto riverwalker Sep 2020 #50

200% relayerbob Sep 2020 #51

They got the SCOTUS they wanted BainsBane Sep 2020 #54

Their niece or granddaughter will want an abortion and have to risk their lives to get one Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #75

Or they'll want to force their girlfriend to have one BainsBane Sep 2020 #80

HAtred of Women and love of guns is what they are all about. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #82

same here. AllaN01Bear Sep 2020 #56

I was this angry BEFORE the great RBG died, but now the damage is going to be Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #60

Hey, Let's don't forget lonely bird Sep 2020 #61

No lets forget them, they never vote..the folks we are talking about are very active Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #77

THIS. MH1 Sep 2020 #97

Yup, their goal was the same as MAGASHIT JI7 Sep 2020 #125

They're no different from children making noise. Rizen Sep 2020 #64

And, Especially those who Lied about Hillary & Cha Sep 2020 #66

Many of us talked about how bad a mistake it was to act so childish after the election Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #79

Blast them right to hell mcar Sep 2020 #89

Yes they need to take those they helped Cha Sep 2020 #94

also those fucking reporters who screwed who over and didn't take Trump seriously LymphocyteLover Sep 2020 #69

2000 election WcoastO Sep 2020 #70

Anyone who voted Stein, didn't vote, voted IMPOTUS, mcar Sep 2020 #74

And not ONE of them that I know of has apologized or admitted they were wrong Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #81

They are here, tonight, mcar Sep 2020 #85

Yes, they are, they stalk me constantly...i feel bad but I also know that putin and GOP are going Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #87

You can say that but remember... Woodycall Sep 2020 #86

Why does that matter? SlogginThroughIt Sep 2020 #99

POC can't be assholes? Codeine Sep 2020 #101

Let's see the statistics. Tumbulu Sep 2020 #108

Especially from someone who states that they are "undecided" about who they support for POTUS. ehrnst Sep 2020 #143

The POC who did it are assholes also. But most were white JI7 Sep 2020 #126

Besides new voter ID laws, "A more important explanation for the drop in African American turnout betsuni Sep 2020 #133

POC are in most voting demographics, and yes there are some Trump supporters of Color. ehrnst Sep 2020 #141

You may want to tell that to those here who stated that Dems in southern states that went for Biden ehrnst Sep 2020 #145

It goes back further than that Ghost of Tom Joad Sep 2020 #91

Ya goddammed right. Happy Hoosier Sep 2020 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #98

I will never forget, never forgive. Stupid, arrogant, selfish, unforgivable. betsuni Sep 2020 #102

Agreed MFM008 Sep 2020 #105

Jill Stain and Susan Sarandonald Blue Owl Sep 2020 #109

Grudges don't mater now. It's over. herding cats Sep 2020 #112

I'm with you. I could write ecstatic Sep 2020 #113

Me either!... Aristus Sep 2020 #114

Neither will I, still_one. Neither will I Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2020 #124

Hillary tried to warn us Gothmog Sep 2020 #127

The ones who hated her also hated RBG . They got their perverted sleaze Kavanaugh JI7 Sep 2020 #131

From Rachel Bitecofer Gothmog Sep 2020 #132

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2020 #142

👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Tarheel_Dem Sep 2020 #134

Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #135

+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #136

I can do forgiveness, but it doesn't lessen the pain in my heart. n/t cynatnite Sep 2020 #137

She warned us of this very situation back in 2015: ehrnst Sep 2020 #140

But she sent emails and was paid for a speech, she's "unlikable" and "I don't trust her." betsuni Sep 2020 #148

I know.... ehrnst Sep 2020 #155

Nor will I! BlueMTexpat Sep 2020 #144

GET OUT AND VOTE!! dicksmc3 Sep 2020 #147

And they're still reveling in their douchebaggery, too. Aristus Sep 2020 #150

Absolutely! Nitram Sep 2020 #152

⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Sep 2020 #153

I can never just like you llashram Sep 2020 #156

If there was not the motivation before, I think RBG will be that motivating factor still_one Sep 2020 #158

RBG agreed with you. Hortensis Sep 2020 #161

Agreed! Liberal In Red State Sep 2020 #159

That anger should also apply to... StarzGuy Sep 2020 #160

Orange blob marieo1 Sep 2020 #165

Please, just stop.... chwaliszewski Sep 2020 #166

Personally, I also hold Bernie responsible with his "they're all the same" bullshit. nt Blasphemer Sep 2020 #168

I don't want discourage people from Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #170

Do you mean the narcissists who required being "excited" by a candidate? dlk Sep 2020 #171

......I'm RIGHT BEHIND YOU, STILL...... titanicdave Sep 2020 #172

I hear ya, but NO ONE knew a monster criminal was coming. You can say Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #173

Who could have guessed he was a racist, sexist, and bigot. Calling Mexican immigrants rapists who still_one Sep 2020 #187

He's been on the covers of tabloids since the 80s, has planned to run, or actually run for president betsuni Sep 2020 #189

and we didn't have to go back that far, just observe the campaign he ran on. He didn't even still_one Sep 2020 #190

That's really the point, isn't it. He hid nothing, everything out loud in public. betsuni Sep 2020 #193

+++ still_one Sep 2020 #194

! Of course. But I have never read any predictions that he Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #204

It was obvious. "The ones Dems ignored." Why are you blaming Democrats? betsuni Sep 2020 #205

??? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #206

What? betsuni Sep 2020 #207

We will never know. It sure did give Republicans an excuse. Will never Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #208

Oh bullshit! hamsterjill Sep 2020 #209

Again - Hillary won the popular vote ... Jopin Klobe Sep 2020 #181

Neither will I. Beacool Sep 2020 #188

IMHO Hillary really won in 2016. Trump had the Russians do something in the swing states. UCmeNdc Sep 2020 #197

Total agreement here. hamsterjill Sep 2020 #210