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The Magistrate

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22. This Covers It Pretty Well, Sir
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 05:08 PM
Sep 2020

Orwell's 'Notes On Nationalism':

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/

But for an intellectual, transference has an important function which I have already mentioned.... It makes it possible for him to be much more nationalistic – more vulgar, more silly, more malignant, more dishonest – than he could ever be on behalf of his native country, or any unit of which he had real knowledge. When one sees the slavish or boastful rubbish that is written about Stalin, the Red army, etc. by fairly intelligent and sensitive people, one realizes that this is only possible because some kind of dislocation has taken place. In societies such as ours, it is unusual for anyone describable as an intellectual to feel a very deep attachment to his own country. Public opinion – that is, the section of public opinion of which he as an intellectual is aware – will not allow him to do so. Most of the people surrounding him are sceptical and disaffected, and he may adopt the same attitude from imitativeness or sheer cowardice: in that case he will have abandoned the form of nationalism that lies nearest to hand without getting any closer to a genuinely internationalist outlook. He still feels the need for a Fatherland, and it is natural to look for one somewhere abroad. Having found it, he can wallow unrestrainedly in exactly those emotions from which he believes that he has emancipated himself. God, the King, the Empire, the Union Jack – all the overthrown idols can reappear under different names, and because they are not recognized for what they are they can be worshipped with a good conscience. Transferred nationalism, like the use of scapegoats, is a way of attaining salvation without altering one’s conduct.

What's up with Russian apologists? [View all] OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 OP
They are useful idiots. That being said given their actions I question Statistical Sep 2020 #1
I've noticed nihilism definitely is a strong quality... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #5
They're dead inside. BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #2
It's sad that I LOL'd... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #7
I'm not seeing it on DU ... GeorgeGist Sep 2020 #3
Oh, not here... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #6
Those DUers have long been purged from the site. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #11
I call the site Just Putin's Radicals. revmclaren Sep 2020 #19
Wow, okay. Good to know. Thanks! n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #24
Russia went from godless communism to... Thomas Hurt Sep 2020 #4
Most of the people I see doing this... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #8
These people have supported Russia and Putin since the Obama days. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #9
Ah, the Snowden connection... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #14
On the left Democrats? I think there are very few of those supporting Putin/Russian government DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #10
No, not Democrats... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #15
"Libertarians": That's a code word to me! DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #18
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2020 #12
Thank you... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #16
Yes, exactly! H2O Man Sep 2020 #21
" are white nationalists, and they view Russia as a more "pure" state " and Putin pushes this notion uponit7771 Sep 2020 #37
Right. H2O Man Sep 2020 #42
Sounds Like Your talking About Krystal Ball. jayfish Sep 2020 #13
Lawd, haven't thought of her in ages... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #17
She's one of their saints revmclaren Sep 2020 #20
I think the show Rising is a gateway drug for the "populist" right JonLP24 Sep 2020 #35
This Covers It Pretty Well, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #22
Oh my goodness... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #23
The Man Never Grows Old, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #26
"It doesn't make us fall into allegiance with Putin" +1, even among Americans who have a good case uponit7771 Sep 2020 #38
I think skepticism is healthy JonLP24 Sep 2020 #25
Very true... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #27
The only individual I know in person who held that line... regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #28
You described it perfectly... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #29
Putin is magnet for anti-Democratic Party cranks Azathoth Sep 2020 #30
The Anti-Dem vibe is veryyyyy strong... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #32
They have messages for both sides JonLP24 Sep 2020 #36
Thank you... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #43
Many of them as bought and paid for also. Their goal is also Republicans JI7 Sep 2020 #31
You mean the actual politicians and pundits? OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #33
They can't admit to themselves they've been manipulated by Russian propaganda. betsuni Sep 2020 #34
Agree! UCmeNdc Sep 2020 #39
+1, sounds like Sunk Cost Fallacy where people go all in on a position and tie too much to affirming uponit7771 Sep 2020 #40
Well said... OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #44
Tankies are nothing new on the Left. nt Codeine Sep 2020 #41
Had to look that up! OneGrassRoot Sep 2020 #45
It's taken on a more general meaning now, Codeine Sep 2020 #46
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