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Reply to LeftyMom (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:16 AM

Sep 2012

you can agree that anyone doing the Braves chant gets a Cuban necktie.

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Why is using Native American names for sports teams considered racist? [View all] Fawke Em Sep 2012 OP

I've never understood it, Fawke. elleng Sep 2012 #1

Well, I live on an Indian reservation and hubby is in tribal law and I liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #11

Cut the crap. elleng Sep 2012 #22

Um, no, no it's not "crap", liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #24

You said it well in you previous post JustAnotherGen Sep 2012 #55

agree MrDiaz Sep 2012 #60

This was the logo of a beloved Seattle restaurant for 2 decades Generic Other Sep 2012 #37

How incredibly rude. Zoeisright Sep 2012 #69

I agree that it was rude to call my elleng Sep 2012 #82

liberalhistorian isn't throwing any crap obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #94

i didn't realize good character was genetic in origin CreekDog Sep 2012 #106

Got that right FrodosPet Sep 2012 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #40

My great-grandparents came from Ireland. I was lucky enough to get to know them whathehell Sep 2012 #126

So very well said. redqueen Sep 2012 #74

Cherokee High School Braves - on the reservation in Western NC LastDemocratInSC Sep 2012 #114

Maybe because not every single one of the liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #120

My Indian friends would laugh in your face for saying that obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #93

it's nice that we honor the peoples that we nearly eliminated centuries ago CreekDog Sep 2012 #98

Oh, ellng, that is SO condescending. Please. catbyte Sep 2012 #131

I've 'cut it out,' cat; haven't responded to the numerous 'complaints' against me on the subject. elleng Sep 2012 #132

Sorry, but what "admirable" characteristics? We're not one homogeneous mass of humanity catbyte Sep 2012 #139

Ever see the old "Chief Wahoo" images from the Cleveland Indians? zbdent Sep 2012 #2

I haven't and maybe my age is coloring my opinon. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #4

Nope, not a caricature at all... TroglodyteScholar Sep 2012 #7

+1 Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #12

I agree that is over the top. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #14

Ask any Indian male how often some stranger refers to him as "chief" Generic Other Sep 2012 #41

God, I hated that damned logo every liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #15

I'm a middle class white gal and that's why I asked the question. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #18

Redskins' is just a bad ThomThom Sep 2012 #27

That's a cleaned up version, too. The original was far worse. yardwork Sep 2012 #35

Sadly, that's just one version ... zbdent Sep 2012 #91

I know! What an honor! CreekDog Sep 2012 #101

I don't think that the Seminoles dislike the name of that team. yardwork Sep 2012 #34

You asked Seminole tribe? tama Sep 2012 #50

Not sure why you are attacking me. I'm not in favor of any of these names. yardwork Sep 2012 #63

Sorry tama Sep 2012 #64

I should have read through the thread before replying... OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #80

FSU is not the example your looking for.... Sgent Sep 2012 #66

Just fact checking tama Sep 2012 #67

The Seminoles do not object and in fact work with the school to ensure that the representations are MADem Sep 2012 #70

Yes, teh Seminole Triv=be has sanctioned FSU's use of Seminole obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #95

Yeah tama Sep 2012 #108

There are tribal members who find the fake regalia, the war paint, and the fake war cries offensive. Brickbat Sep 2012 #3

That, I can understand. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #6

The way I see it, if a group of people says something is offensive, I can afford to give them the Brickbat Sep 2012 #10

Those would not exist without the names loyalsister Sep 2012 #49

I dunno...I mean, white folks exterminated so many natives... TroglodyteScholar Sep 2012 #5

Another good point that I hadn't thought of. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #8

That distaste gave rise to the FIGHTING WHITIES MADem Sep 2012 #71

Think about this. aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #9

That's my point! Thank you for the visuals! Fawke Em Sep 2012 #16

And it doesn't bother you that the Irish are depicted in this way? Generic Other Sep 2012 #44

I use to live in Boston. It has a strong irish-catholic heritage. aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #89

You really don't get the differences? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #97

There is no difference, of course! JoeyT Sep 2012 #111

The Celtics logo and even the Viking one don't seem mocking Generic Other Sep 2012 #100

yes, well they look a bit like the people who pushed native americans off their historic lands CreekDog Sep 2012 #110

Trust me when I tell you that if the Scandanavians in Minnesota had objected to the name"Vikings" dflprincess Sep 2012 #115

You mention the Pittsburgh Steelers. Do you find that name to be offensive? spin Sep 2012 #53

No. I don't find it offensive. That was the point of my post. nt aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #56

That's fair. ... spin Sep 2012 #86

Excellent point. aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #90

I would so play for a softball team Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #105

Colonel Reb is gone Sgent Sep 2012 #68

Good post. Thanks for the info. aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #83

They deserve a lot of credit for doing so Generic Other Sep 2012 #102

The word is GAMUT, not "GAMBIT". Now, take a closer look at those depictions - notice something scarletwoman Sep 2012 #87

We don't disagree. aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #118

Right. scarletwoman Sep 2012 #129

i think the insult is greater if the majority has harmed a people and *then* caricatures them CreekDog Sep 2012 #109

I don't disagree with that statement. aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #119

I don't remember 22 million irish being exterminated, however. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #127

I can see how decimating indigenous peoples, then co-opting their imagery and names zonkers Sep 2012 #13

In for the win. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #17

Like Republican men are doing to women. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #19

so much THIS GObamaGO Sep 2012 #31

And yet I'm told here to liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #46

The University of North Dakota is being forced to change it's name... Odin2005 Sep 2012 #20

Like it? More like, 'meh, who cares' for the most part, IMHO. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #33

Um, no, they don't. Only one ND Sioux reservation liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #47

They are Lakota, not Sioux obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #99

NoamChomsky suggests an apt metaphor for such American Indian sports mascots... MinM Sep 2012 #21

EXCELLENT article! unblock Sep 2012 #28

takeaway: when oppressors purport to "honor" an oppressed group... MinM Sep 2012 #84

So my take-away is that you all have helped me understand. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #23

Exactly. ""Vikings" is OK, but "Squareheads" would not be n/t eridani Sep 2012 #54

What about the Yankees, Celtics, Vikings, Cowboys, Fighting Irish, Sooners, 49ers, Rebels, Elwood P Dowd Sep 2012 #25

Demon Deacons...and my favorite... jberryhill Sep 2012 #26

I haven't noticed any offended gold miners about. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #38

It's called "cultural perspective." liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #48

"The majority does not get to decide for a minority group what they should and should not like." redqueen Sep 2012 #76

" You might try to get some." Kolesar Sep 2012 #81

That's it. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #122

The name "Steelers" came from the fact that Pittsburgh at one time was a steel town Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #123

ooh, daddy! can we keep one of those savages as a pet? pleeeeease? unblock Sep 2012 #29

To me, Native American names for sports teams is not in and of itself offensive. mysuzuki2 Sep 2012 #30

Because it says they don't have the right to their own identity. TheMadMonk Sep 2012 #32

Can we at least agree anybody doing the Tomahawk Chop gets their arm broken? LeftyMom Sep 2012 #39

Only if XemaSab Sep 2012 #42

It's the same people. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #45

the last people I saw Go Vols Sep 2012 #75

Yeah... they'll never change this nycbiscuit Sep 2012 #43

The University of Utah's athletic program is named the 'Utes'... Drunken Irishman Sep 2012 #51

I agree. sendero Sep 2012 #52

no disrespect intended, and the Native Americans get all the money right? CreekDog Sep 2012 #113

About as much as.... sendero Sep 2012 #128

if there's no branding then why are American teams allowed to make money off the logos? CreekDog Sep 2012 #141

I am native and have lived with this. aandegoons Sep 2012 #57

Wellcome to DU! tama Sep 2012 #65

Thank you aandegoons Sep 2012 #88

Excellent points and much to think about Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #107

If I could recommend a response, it would be this. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #125

Aanii, aandegoons. My mom never wore sleeveless blouses or a bathing suit in public catbyte Sep 2012 #134

Thank you for putting it so eloquently Marrah_G Sep 2012 #137

You ARE more white than classic Native American. renie408 Sep 2012 #58

The Seminole tribe supports FSU using their name. They are not offended at all. davidn3600 Sep 2012 #59

The Messiah's, FIghting Jesus's, The Raging Popes, The Virgin Marys, Flyin' Crosses, The Crucifiers Evasporque Sep 2012 #61

I dunno. I'd kinda like to root for a team called the Raging Popes. Bucky Sep 2012 #138

You answered your own question. lunatica Sep 2012 #62

Because we colonized them. And are now appropriating their culture. Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #72

My favorite team name of all time is the MineralMan Sep 2012 #73

The Nippon Ham Fighters. I always get a vision of hurling lunchmeat. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #117

What about towns named after tribes HockeyMom Sep 2012 #77

I always name my fantasy teams the Washington D.C. Politically Correct. Waltons_Mtn Sep 2012 #78

Years ago, a preacher wanted Duke University to change its Blue Devils WilmywoodNCparalegal Sep 2012 #79

A name change might have been fun. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #124

As an Eagles fan, I find the Redskins offensive on many levels Inkfreak Sep 2012 #85

The Seminole tribe has approved FSU using the name obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #92

if we hadn't basically committed genocide on these peoples, taking their names for ball games... CreekDog Sep 2012 #96

When the Atlanta Braves are owned by a tribe, then it'll be okay CreekDog Sep 2012 #103

I would think that the simplest answer Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #104

I think there should be a football team called the Feminazis. undeterred Sep 2012 #112

Why it's racist: We took their land and we're mocking them for it Taverner Sep 2012 #116

racist cartoon stereotypes are offensive Zygoat Sep 2012 #121

There is only one group I hope never feels affended..... whistler162 Sep 2012 #130

That's great, whistler, but I'll bet there were at least a few Swedes on the Vikings board catbyte Sep 2012 #133

I have a Greek-American friend who feels that way about the Trojans Bucky Sep 2012 #135

Reminds me of this story: Norrin Radd Sep 2012 #136

Curious if you find generic "Indians" offensive. wtmusic Sep 2012 #140