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95. Ooh more Nader. Thanks, if it weren't for you I'd forget he was alive...

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:03 PM

Dec 2011

Funny how you keep posting about Nader like he's relevant or something. The only time I ever hear or see the name Nader is when you post it.

Those of us old school liberals are anti-war, anti-big business, pro-Constitution, pro-social services, pro-union, pro-education, pro-choice, pro-equal rights...

We have stood in place while the line for what it means to be a liberal was moved further and further to the right. Yesterday Glen Beck called Newt GinGrinch a "progressive". That's where I see the line at this point. It has moved so far to the right that many people actually think that Newt Fucking GinGrinch is a "progressive".

I see very few "liberals" on DU. I see a ton of Democrats and a ton of centrists but very few liberals. And from the looks of it the new DU was designed to weed out those.

Used to be you could correlate being a Democrat with being a liberal. Sadly those days are long gone.

I look forward to tomorrow's Nader post. I mean, without your posts I would have never known that Nader was so important.

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Up to?? He's only feeding his attention monkey. comipinko Dec 2011 #1

Easier for him to peel those off than a few conservative Republicans. nt greyl Dec 2011 #2

He isn't up to anything. HappyMe Dec 2011 #3

Desperate man in need of attention JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #4

Do you consider President Obama a liberal Democrat? Scuba Dec 2011 #5

Yes, I do. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #6

Yeah, but it's not about finding one person left or right of the President... Scuba Dec 2011 #7

Why do you think that he's a moderate Republican, if he's a Democrat? LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #8

Because, in my world, Democrats hold true to Democratic values.... Scuba Dec 2011 #9

Which registered moderate Republican has positions that are just like President Obama's? LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #12

Do you know any liberal Democrats who aren't willing to fight for Medicare for All? Who ... Scuba Dec 2011 #14

But what moderate Republican is he like? LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #15

The actions he has taken fit him neatly into my definition of "moderate Republican"..... Scuba Dec 2011 #16

Is there another moderate Republican who is like him? LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #18

You're confusing being a Republican or Democrat with acting like one. n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #20

Which moderate Republican is President Obama acting like? LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #21

Barry Goldwater. n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #22

What "states rights" positions does Barack Obama support? LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #23

What "liberal Democrat" positions does President Obama support? Scuba Dec 2011 #24

I saw this really good list of lists. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #25

This is the one I usually use when defending him, which is often.... Scuba Dec 2011 #26

I think that the liberal Democrats have decided that they like him. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #27

The like him a lot more than the alternatives, that's for sure.... Scuba Dec 2011 #28

I am and always have been a liberal. I like him better than any Republican but.. Little Star Dec 2011 #30

He says Civil Rights should be up to the States Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #58

He doesn't because he is Republican regular ala Bob Dole, Condeleeza Rice, Poppy Bush, TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #42

I believe he is speaking historically kenfrequed Dec 2011 #75

Liberalism is not defined by one issue. And you don't get to define the standards for what... phleshdef Dec 2011 #66

Sorry, but a healthcare plan that requires Americans to purchase.... Scuba Dec 2011 #67

Like I said, its not up to you. You can tell yourself white means black if you'd like. phleshdef Dec 2011 #68

And you can tell yourself that Obama is a liberal, but he's not. n /t Scuba Dec 2011 #69

The vast majority of Americans disagree with you on that and likely as does he. phleshdef Dec 2011 #70

You're right of course. I'm afraid I'm too old school.... Scuba Dec 2011 #71

Doing things your way would mean rejecting unemployment extensions and letting Medicare be killed... phleshdef Dec 2011 #72

You know nothing of what I think or care about. n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #73

The idea of medicare being killed under its own weight is absurd kenfrequed Dec 2011 #76

No, its not absurd. Its math. Though I think we both agree on the right solution. phleshdef Dec 2011 #78

I noticed kenfrequed Dec 2011 #82

"Profit" is not illegal. And I don't think the American public is ideologically ready to make it so. phleshdef Dec 2011 #84

Strawman kenfrequed Dec 2011 #85

"The cases where public-private mixes function are rather tightly regulated markets" = Exactly... phleshdef Dec 2011 #86

Because he is to the right of Richard Nixon. ozone_man Dec 2011 #47

That wouldn't make him a Republican, though. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #52

Correct by modern definition. ozone_man Dec 2011 #88

Erm, a post-partisan? joshcryer Dec 2011 #53

I think so. n/t ozone_man Dec 2011 #89

Not only do you consider the president a liberal, but so do the majority of Americans Number23 Dec 2011 #79

I'm not sure that he does... freshwest Dec 2011 #10

man aint that the truth SwampG8r Dec 2011 #54

In 2008 he targeted a centrist Democrat who has proven to be a...centrist Democrat. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #11

My impression was that Ralph Nader was going to support a progressive Democrat. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #13

So? If none appear, should he support a centrist? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #17

He can support who he wants to. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #19

and how DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #31

Why would I want to get mushy independents to vote for a mushy centrist? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #48

You miss the question DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #49

You miss the point. I don't vote for centrists of either of the establishment parties. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #56

Florida was decided DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #91

Seriously, who knows? Rex Dec 2011 #29

I believe the problem is with your definition of "Liberal Democrat". Edweird Dec 2011 #32

It's not mine, it's Gallup's. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #34

Ok, soooo what's the question again? Edweird Dec 2011 #35

Ralph Nader want to put up a primary challenger who appeals to liberal Democrats. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #38

Again, we're back to the definition of "Liberal Democrat". Edweird Dec 2011 #39

Welcome to DU3...sigh. nt Romulox Dec 2011 #33

Because he is a Republican. n/t BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #36

Obama is a center-right dem themadstork Dec 2011 #37

Because he saw his shadow as we enter the next election season. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #40

He just received the income reports from the last quarter. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #55

Obama is not a liberal Democrat. Beacool Dec 2011 #41

neither was Hillary DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #50

If Nader runs, GOP election officials can siphon more votes from the Dem to him McCamy Taylor Dec 2011 #43

Funny how Grover gets around DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #51

How can he challenge in a primary? mmonk Dec 2011 #44

Your definition of "Liberal Democrat" is busted. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #45

What is my definition of "liberal Democrat"? LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #46

You say the President is 'liberal' yet he opposes equal rights Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #57

What minorities are you thinking of? brooklynite Dec 2011 #59

If you have to ask that question, man..... Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #61

That's what I thought you meant, but I wanted to be sure... brooklynite Dec 2011 #74

The original post is about Nader targeting liberal Democratic voters. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #62

You're saying this to defend Nader? Nader who called the fight for gay rights "Gonad politics?!?!" stevenleser Dec 2011 #94

Are there other minority groups you think one can Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #60

What I always say libodem Dec 2011 #63

Obama isn't a liberal because he supports equal rights to do conservative things, not liberal things saras Dec 2011 #64

I clarified the original post. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #65

I'll take because he's a narcissistic douchebag for $1000, Alex. 11 Bravo Dec 2011 #77

I think Nader, as always, is concerned about the direction of the country slay Dec 2011 #80

he's a spoiler pitohui Dec 2011 #81

If by 'paying him under the table' kenfrequed Dec 2011 #83

Obama is NOW a liberal democrat?!?!?!? Just in time for the election, right fascisthunter Dec 2011 #87

Since 'the majority of liberal Dems support Obama', I assume you'll blame centrists if he loses? Marr Dec 2011 #90

Because his ideas are liberal! Uranus Needs Men Dec 2011 #92

Because the Republicans pay him to challenge Democrats? AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #93

Ooh more Nader. Thanks, if it weren't for you I'd forget he was alive... SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #95