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PavePusher

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254. You might have an argument.... if you had some evidence and numbers to support your assertions.

Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:25 PM

Sep 2012

Seriously, in terms of any actual numbers, or percentage of hunters, how many hunt purely for "sport"? WAG?

Every hunter I've ever known (I grew up rural) ate what they hunted. Which doesn't preclude anyone from taking pride in their skill and accomplishment. Even with a firearm, hunting is difficult, strenuous, fatiguing work requireing skill and tenacity and, depending on the game, more than a little luck.

As for "promotes a predator/prey mentality", ummm... you don't think a few million years of evolution had anything to do with it, do you?

Please cite your evidence for your claim on the NRA. IIRC, the latest member stats show that the majority of them don't hunt.

Huh, looks like I remembered correctly: http://www.statisticbrain.com/national-rifle-association-nra-statistics/

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Ryan outfits 10 yr old daughter with deer-hunting gear (gave her rifle as gift at age 9) [View all] Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 OP

what an asswipe!!! gopiscrap Sep 2012 #1

Do they hunt on---GASP!---government land??? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #2

By the time Walker is through it will all be privatized undeterred Sep 2012 #73

Can teaching children how to kill & desensitizing them to it be considered child abuse? baldguy Sep 2012 #3

Um no Samjm Sep 2012 #6

Should he take her to a meat packing facility also? Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #13

If she eats commercial meat, sure, though I don't think a factory would let her. uppityperson Sep 2012 #83

How about kids who grow up on farms? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #121

Absolutely. Codeine Sep 2012 #141

Well, my fifth grade class in the 1950s MineralMan Sep 2012 #159

"one bad morning" I think I just threw up in mouth. heartless. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #167

What? Animals don't die? You don't believe in the cycle of life? PavePusher Sep 2012 #185

Yeah. Science sucks. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #190

Did you think that thought out before you spewed it? Missycim Sep 2012 #14

My stepdad took me hunting when I was 7. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #43

I think you're wrong. Brickbat Sep 2012 #69

You dodn't grow up on a farm, did you? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #120

Some little girls are struck with awe over the beauty of deer ailsagirl Sep 2012 #131

If you are "blast(ing) a creature to smithereens" You are doing it wrong..... PavePusher Sep 2012 #201

It's important to pass on facts like, don't pop the bladder when gutting an animal snooper2 Sep 2012 #160

hmmm no, you live in a city, don't you? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #315

hmmmm, most people do. Or didn't you know that? baldguy Sep 2012 #335

Yup, but some of us urban residents nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #337

Tolerance is a two-way street. baldguy Sep 2012 #338

You are correct when it comes to nut jobs nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #339

Yet oddly, the "gun nuts" (yes, I know how you are applying the term)... PavePusher Sep 2012 #347

No, they just want to make it easier to murder innocent people. baldguy Sep 2012 #372

And yet murder rates are going down... PavePusher Sep 2012 #384

Keep posting those RW talking points. baldguy Sep 2012 #385

The FBI's UCR is a RW talking point? glacierbay Sep 2012 #391

Feel free to post the stats that show murder rates trending upwards. We'll... wait. n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #396

This message was self-deleted by its author d_r Sep 2012 #402

No Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #365

So? Samjm Sep 2012 #4

To allow your 7-year-old daughter to kill an animal is also a crime in my eyes. n/t RebelOne Sep 2012 #8

Why? uppityperson Sep 2012 #84

Do you harvet your meat yourself? Or collect it on plastic trays, neatly wrapped? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #122

Why? Is allowing her to eat meat also a crime? Codeine Sep 2012 #142

Better watch where you tread. There are DUers who have done the same LynneSin Sep 2012 #151

Then you need your eyes fixed. (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #198

Fortunately it is not a crime in the eyes of the law 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #277

And... I don't hunt nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #318

No answer? What a surprise... n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #348

Never understood the appeal of KILLING a helpless animal for fun. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #166

But paying some immigrant to do it at the slaughterhouse is just fine? CBGLuthier Sep 2012 #173

I've got to ask. hamsterjill Sep 2012 #285

Sorry! Samjm Oct 2012 #408

I hate hunting, and to indoctrinate a 10-year-child RebelOne Sep 2012 #5

? Samjm Sep 2012 #9

No, I do not eat meat. I am a vegetarian. n/t RebelOne Sep 2012 #10

So don't teach your kids to hunt then Missycim Sep 2012 #15

Do you wear leather shoes? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #30

I would really like an answer to this... Lightbulb_on Sep 2012 #102

I maybe only leather from cows that died of natural causes. Bucky Sep 2012 #251

Well good for you glacierbay Sep 2012 #37

How do you justify killing all of those poor, defenseless plants that never harmed you, or anyone.. Ghost in the Machine Sep 2012 #111

lots of animals d_r Sep 2012 #237

Oh, I know all about that! Ghost in the Machine Sep 2012 #401

Your Farm is Cute snooper2 Sep 2012 #162

So what? glacierbay Sep 2012 #31

UNless, of course he plans on having his daughter wear that camo when hunting deer during gun season TheMightyFavog Sep 2012 #117

Don't molly coddle those kids. Orange hunting jackets make your kids soft and weak. Bucky Sep 2012 #252

+1000 nt Doremus Sep 2012 #38

+1000 MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #42

Name the crime. Brickbat Sep 2012 #70

Willful disregard for delicate sensibilties 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #278

I have a question about the "gun culture," for lack of a better way to phrase it... OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #7

Nothing wrong with it if it is done safely. ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #19

It's largely my ignorance, I suppose... OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #23

Much probably depends on the method of pose. PavePusher Sep 2012 #124

I avoid gun threads because I have ZERO desire to debate guns (edited) OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #134

I think it is appalling and you are right to be concerned. renie408 Sep 2012 #137

GREAT question! OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #138

I live in South Carolina. We INVENTED rednecks and I haven't seen any class pictures renie408 Sep 2012 #143

Out of curiosity, did she do any competition shooting? eqfan592 Sep 2012 #200

No, no competitions at all. OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #203

Olympics (they don't use GLOCKs, but much more expensive/specialized guns), IPSC, USPSA, IDPA... PavePusher Sep 2012 #224

"Handguns have one purpose...to kill people. Period." PavePusher Sep 2012 #177

huh? Hukdonfonix Sep 2012 #305

"This young lady happens to be my niece, so it bothers me. A lot." PavePusher Sep 2012 #176

1. Yes, I do know the facts behind my assertions. OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #187

"Safely" is not the issue here Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #101

Plenty of kids shoot in compitition. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #202

You do know that GLOCK pistols are used in many flavors of competitive shooting, right? PavePusher Sep 2012 #123

It bothers me that it was a Glock. A nice all American 1911a1 would have been nicer. oneshooter Sep 2012 #341

ok sweetapogee Sep 2012 #273

Thanks, sweetapogee, but if you'll read the comments above... OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #274

If sweetapogee Sep 2012 #282

I respect your opinion. OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #284

I'm sure there are more teens pictured posing by cars or swimming pools 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #280

what a man! spanone Sep 2012 #11

He's an asshole for sure but I don't fault him for this tularetom Sep 2012 #12

Same here DollarBillHines Sep 2012 #17

Yep. I could argue that a little girl doesn't need that much gear to hunt. Barack_America Sep 2012 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #94

I actually give him credit for taking his daughter. wickerwoman Sep 2012 #186

i am not a hunter, but this isnt a negative for ryan scheming daemons Sep 2012 #16

Who fucking cares? Marinedem Sep 2012 #18

Must be a slow news day in Ohio. ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #20

You don't get the gun until age 11 in my family - lynne Sep 2012 #21

I've never hunted, but this certainly won't hurt him in rural Ohio WI_DEM Sep 2012 #22

He's just pandering. MrSlayer Sep 2012 #24

Hunting has little to do with economic status. PavePusher Sep 2012 #125

Yeah, so what? obxhead Sep 2012 #25

Camouflage for hunting deer? How about some hunter orange? hedgehog Sep 2012 #26

Hey guess what, I too, hunt, fish shoot for sport and drive a pickup truck... Earth_First Sep 2012 #27

I don't hunt, fish, shoot for sport or any other reason ... etherealtruth Sep 2012 #29

I know nothing about hunting but certainly support the right of people to hunt if they want to. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #32

Families who embrace hunting.......... Amaril Sep 2012 #154

Advice. Don't bring dead Bambi home to your daughters HockeyMom Sep 2012 #33

Your daughters had a problem with it. My daughter didn't. Brickbat Sep 2012 #71

Neither did mine glacierbay Sep 2012 #74

Your squeemishness is not the benchmark. n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #126

When I was a child there were several occasions Codeine Sep 2012 #144

I am not sure why people think it is a "crime" or "abuse"... NCTraveler Sep 2012 #266

Not a luxury I had growing up. kiva Sep 2012 #265

This is one of the stupidest reasons to attack Ryan glacierbay Sep 2012 #34

Speak for yourself. MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #47

I'm speaking with the majority of people posting on this thread. glacierbay Sep 2012 #55

He can speak for me, too. renie408 Sep 2012 #148

And we wonder why we're losing the white working class vote. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2012 #35

Wasn't aware we're losing the white working class vote. Doremus Sep 2012 #40

You don't have access to Google? ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2012 #46

You forgot to paste in the rest of it. We're far from losing the white middle-class. Doremus Sep 2012 #63

Squabble about the numbers, but the point still stands joeglow3 Sep 2012 #192

Actually most folks don't do that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #323

Bravo, sir/m'am... Earth_First Sep 2012 #41

Well said! (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Sep 2012 #36

ICAM. MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #44

Well good for you glacierbay Sep 2012 #51

Congrats. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2012 #54

I gave my 5 year old daughter a fishing pole d_r Sep 2012 #238

LOL! Yet they both eat meat but you're right - a commercial slaughter house isn't sport - lynne Sep 2012 #64

But neither President Obama nor the First Lady are vegetarian or vegan, Codeine Sep 2012 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #242

Oh great, another Ryan thread that degenerates into bashing hunters. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #39

Why...you bloodlusting GOP super PAC bundling Republican sympathizer, you! Earth_First Sep 2012 #45

Just in time for grouse season! Brickbat Sep 2012 #72

My father was a gun nut (and still is) Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #48

the gun issue is the only republican belief I still hold on to Berserker Sep 2012 #65

I stand corrected on that point n/t Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #86

Guns aren't a 'Republican issue'. There are 88 guns in this country for every 100 renie408 Sep 2012 #149

Well said. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #207

Oh, DU, please let me say it. Please let me say it. Please, please, please! valerief Sep 2012 #49

Oh alright. Go ahead. Iggo Sep 2012 #52

No, if I say it, my post will just get hidden. I have one hidden post valerief Sep 2012 #62

Oh, that is it! Iggo Sep 2012 #50

Okay, I grew up on a farm and learned to hunt at a very young age. Probably younger than 10. dballance Sep 2012 #53

So? n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2012 #56

All the hunting advocates in this thread Doremus Sep 2012 #57

Good job. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2012 #58

Hey thanks. Doremus Sep 2012 #66

Perhaps if you produce something worthy of a serious retort... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #208

Animals eat Berserker Sep 2012 #60

Uh huh. Doremus Sep 2012 #68

So what? glacierbay Sep 2012 #61

Animals are "given" plenty of advantages. Their main disadvantage is that they're not human. Brickbat Sep 2012 #75

Deer overpopulation is a big problem nadine_mn Sep 2012 #232

Attitudes like yours is why working class white people vote R. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #95

Absolutely correct glacierbay Sep 2012 #98

Also, it's extremely pantronizing to remaining traditional societies that... Odin2005 Sep 2012 #100

When I was growing up in MO. glacierbay Sep 2012 #103

City people who think of Bambi when they hear the word "deer". Odin2005 Sep 2012 #114

To quote my Democratic, Union-Member, Veteran Uncle... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #243

We got on the wrong side in 1972 when the upper-middle class too over the party. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #260

I think about canned hunts when I hear the word deer. LanternWaste Sep 2012 #161

Most hunters despise canned hunts. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #259

ALL "real" hunters despise canned hunts. Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #263

Oh yes, it's the ever-integral hunting faction that will determine our fate. Doremus Sep 2012 #105

And just keep bashing millions of Dem hunters that do vote. glacierbay Sep 2012 #106

Your concern is duly noted. Doremus Sep 2012 #116

As is your arrogance. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #196

Here here! eqfan592 Sep 2012 #209

Make sure you don't use any of the medical advancements derived from animal research... Lightbulb_on Sep 2012 #104

Or plastic bags. Or car and bike tires. Or glue. Or fabric softener. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #112

So glad to know you can divine the thoughts, intents, emotions and wants of all hunters. PavePusher Sep 2012 #127

No one has issues with your opinion. Just respect others LynneSin Sep 2012 #153

You have to change your opinion... snooper2 Sep 2012 #163

Yeah. Fuck science. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #193

So what do you tell nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #322

What would I tell them? Doremus Sep 2012 #357

Alas we are omnivores nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #358

Some, as in under 5% of calories Doremus Sep 2012 #368

And of course my back country denizens do not plant gardens nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #369

"China Study (and other traditional diets)..." Doremus Sep 2012 #371

It followed people eating traditional diets nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #373

Those who argue in circles are particularly fun. Doremus Sep 2012 #375

Yup, why this article has a mention of ANIMAL PROTEIN nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #379

If they eat what they hunt, no harm, no foul Warpy Sep 2012 #59

OFFS, I am so pissed that i have to do this but mcctatas Sep 2012 #67

Oh lord, another dick cheney Hoyt Sep 2012 #76

Good for him and good for her, but I'm hoping the "women's camo" isn't some kind of stupid pink- Brickbat Sep 2012 #77

It's entirely possible his daughter likes pink. PavePusher Sep 2012 #128

utterly fucking SICK Skittles Sep 2012 #78

Why? glacierbay Sep 2012 #81

you know what? I am NOT even going to waste my time on you Skittles Sep 2012 #82

why? glacierbay Sep 2012 #87

I guess my stepdad was an evil sickom then. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #96

Why is it sick? PavePusher Sep 2012 #129

But why? Codeine Sep 2012 #146

We're not going to get a rational response, are we? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #225

Why? People hunt in the back country nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #324

Romney and Ryan have no regard for human life - or any life for that matter. Initech Sep 2012 #79

The man is sick ann--- Sep 2012 #80

Why is it child abuse? glacierbay Sep 2012 #85

ohhh noes!!1 frylock Sep 2012 #88

I have lots of things I can criticize Ryan on Jennicut Sep 2012 #89

This is very normal glacierbay Sep 2012 #91

How is teaching a child ann--- Sep 2012 #352

It's very normal for many parts of the country glacierbay Sep 2012 #354

So what you are saying is that the morality of hunting is dependent... PavePusher Sep 2012 #386

God-Guns-Gays nt aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #92

maybe he hunts on private land? mcctatas Sep 2012 #99

Maybe he already has some? PavePusher Sep 2012 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #156

The man has been a hunter for a long time and, IIRC, in the previous thread trying to bash him.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #206

Come on, creative editing, much? PavePusher Sep 2012 #223

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #240

What I said: PavePusher Sep 2012 #253

So you clicked the link he posted... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2012 #343

Heh, I forgot to even check that when I was at home. PavePusher Sep 2012 #349

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #367

Wow, so I was half right... (hence the IIRC in my original response...) PavePusher Sep 2012 #388

I went deer hunting with my dad when I was 10.... chillfactor Sep 2012 #93

Hey, Liza... How does it feel to be used by your dad for a photo op? Politicub Sep 2012 #97

Huh, I don't think I've ever seen a picture of his daughter. I just don't care. n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #389

Ryan = Pander Bear Botany Sep 2012 #107

Good for him. Politics have nothing to do with spending some quality time petronius Sep 2012 #108

How can people hunt anymore? StarryNite Sep 2012 #109

So much silly hyperbolic outrage in this thread; it's embarrassing to read. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #110

OK, what's the problem here? MrScorpio Sep 2012 #113

Paul Ryan is a dick bag for many reasons IVoteDFL Sep 2012 #115

People here are really upset by this? SpartanDem Sep 2012 #118

Some are. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #210

Gee daddy why don't ya buy her B Calm Sep 2012 #119

Maybe she already has one. PavePusher Sep 2012 #132

I think she should learn to gut the deer! B Calm Sep 2012 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #246

I never alerted it! But that said B Calm Sep 2012 #270

Give It A Rest..... (nt) Paladin Sep 2012 #169

Good for him former-republican Sep 2012 #133

Oscar Wilde on the hunting crowd... CorBlimeyGuvnor Sep 2012 #135

more accurately, Oscar Wilde on the the English country gentleman sl8 Sep 2012 #139

Deer are "uneatable"? PavePusher Sep 2012 #390

Hunting freaks me the fuck out. renie408 Sep 2012 #136

I got a rifle for Christmas when I was nine. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #140

I don't get the outrage over hunting gollygee Sep 2012 #147

I agree. It isn't for me, but with the deer population not exactly in trouble renie408 Sep 2012 #150

Scratch a hunter and you'll find a conservationist... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #244

Tnose are not hunters. Those are douche bags. Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #248

This message was self-deleted by its author TheMightyFavog Sep 2012 #345

Really? This is the best we got? LynneSin Sep 2012 #152

So? My dad used us as bird dogs when he hunted WolverineDG Sep 2012 #155

ok ok folks Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #164

'here sweetie, take this gun and go kill a beautiful living creature for fun' progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #165

Your outrage is duly noted glacierbay Sep 2012 #175

How about people who make broad-brush stereotypes/accusations? PavePusher Sep 2012 #194

Yes, better her meat should be killed invisibly, by illegal immigrants Codeine Sep 2012 #313

Big deal. There are real things to complain about Ryan. Matariki Sep 2012 #170

I do not give a shit how he raises his child. CBGLuthier Sep 2012 #171

Did he give her a 270 for Christmas? Rex Sep 2012 #172

Well, if you ignore the available evidence, yeah, sure, whatever... PavePusher Sep 2012 #195

And your point was what exactly? Rex Sep 2012 #370

Sport Hunting Is On The Decline In The U.S. Paladin Sep 2012 #174

If you have to keep company with --anybody-- while hunting... ret5hd Sep 2012 #178

And If That's An Example Of Your Interpretive Skills...... Paladin Sep 2012 #184

And if that's an example of your interpersonal skills... ret5hd Sep 2012 #256

Hmmmm, I heard something last weekend that said the number of people participating... PavePusher Sep 2012 #197

A simple google search underscores that there is a great deal of disagreement on the actual number.. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #213

Take It Up With U.S. Fish & Wildlife Paladin Sep 2012 #219

Actually, you're a bit off. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #211

Care To Tell Us Where That Definition Came From? Paladin Sep 2012 #220

Urban dictionary, top ranked result. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #281

What is picking up is sports photography nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #325

"Don't taze me, Bro." - Bambi Berlum Sep 2012 #179

Where is DCF? Laurajr Sep 2012 #180

You would love my sons Sporting Clays team then. Mec9000 Sep 2012 #188

I had guns, knives and chain-saws by the time I was 10. Drove tractors occasionally too. PavePusher Sep 2012 #199

Where are your google skills? glacierbay Sep 2012 #268

I take it you have not bothered to research gun laws? hack89 Sep 2012 #272

Holy crap! I should be dead then. Codeine Sep 2012 #316

I guess Paul Ryan forgot about Dick Cheney Laurajr Sep 2012 #181

Paul Ryan says he owns the Boone and Crocket Whitetail Archery record...nt Evasporque Sep 2012 #182

Not an issue IMO... k2qb3 Sep 2012 #183

I was 5 or 6 the first time I shot a gun. bamacrat Sep 2012 #189

Big deal. geardaddy Sep 2012 #205

"You must die, that I may live" marions ghost Sep 2012 #212

Can you answer question #1 here: PavePusher Sep 2012 #228

Did you read what I said? marions ghost Sep 2012 #241

You might have an argument.... if you had some evidence and numbers to support your assertions. PavePusher Sep 2012 #254

I'm sure you have all the numbers you need marions ghost Sep 2012 #257

Wow, all hunters are Dick Cheney? Really? PavePusher Sep 2012 #258

Most "hunters" today are "shooters" marions ghost Sep 2012 #267

I'm calling bullshit glacierbay Sep 2012 #269

I live among them in a rural area marions ghost Sep 2012 #287

And your evidence to back up your assertions/accusations is...???? PavePusher Sep 2012 #271

Relax marions ghost Sep 2012 #289

Nice dodge. PavePusher Sep 2012 #310

So you're saying my son should sit inside and play video games this weekend instead of going out on Brickbat Sep 2012 #279

Not at all marions ghost Sep 2012 #290

It's possible to do both, you know. To respect nature while hunting. Brickbat Sep 2012 #291

Y'know the olden days marions ghost Sep 2012 #292

My family is not poor. We eat what we kill. Are we a part of your romantic fantasy piggy practice? Brickbat Sep 2012 #294

Don't get me to accuse you marions ghost Sep 2012 #295

"just a romantic fantasy now"... no, an actual reality for some still. PavePusher Sep 2012 #312

see post no 292 marions ghost Sep 2012 #293

You have no clue what real hunters are about glacierbay Sep 2012 #296

I've been around hunters a lot marions ghost Sep 2012 #301

Oh, so only rich people hunt, or hunted in the past..... PavePusher Sep 2012 #311

Rich (or well off) people are the only ones who hunt marions ghost Sep 2012 #321

I'm not upset.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #346

People who go around saying those who differ from them are "wrong" marions ghost Sep 2012 #353

Not an issue from my point of view. I was raised for my fisrt 7 years in Wyoming skip fox Sep 2012 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #245

I grew up in southwestern Wyoming and I can attest to all this. Codeine Sep 2012 #317

My father was too much of a bigot against women to that Aerows Sep 2012 #215

Canned hunts, too. LanternWaste Sep 2012 #217

Yeah Aerows Sep 2012 #218

I'm afraid I don't know the relevant ethical difference between hunting and canned hunting... LanternWaste Sep 2012 #221

they'll spend thousands on a 'hunt' for a couple pounds of meat Sunlei Sep 2012 #216

I don't understand gun and hunting culture. Alduin Sep 2012 #222

1. So, is it more ethical to get one's meat from plastic trays..... PavePusher Sep 2012 #226

I get my meat from the co-op Alduin Sep 2012 #230

1. So hunting isn't humane? PavePusher Sep 2012 #231

Why are the two options subsistence hunting vs. killing for "sport"? Many people hunt for a variety Brickbat Sep 2012 #261

I take that he never let her watch Bambi. Lint Head Sep 2012 #227

Relevance?? PavePusher Sep 2012 #229

It's called a joke. Deer hunters kill deer. Bambi is a Disney character loved by 9 year olds. Lint Head Sep 2012 #234

I'm guessing this guy took up hunting Oregonian Sep 2012 #233

Well, you guessed wrong. PavePusher Sep 2012 #235

Are you a family friend? Oregonian Sep 2012 #236

Sorry, I just see a lot of potential to lose political ground over a manufactured concern. PavePusher Sep 2012 #239

John Kerry Is A Long-Time Hunter, As Well. Paladin Sep 2012 #247

After a year of going out in the woods with hunters, she's finally earned some camoflage Bucky Sep 2012 #249

Meat is murder! Bucky Sep 2012 #250

Not a big deal kevinmc Sep 2012 #255

There's a whole lot of manufactured outrage HappyMe Sep 2012 #262

She's lucky to have a father who can teach her how to safely handle firearms slackmaster Sep 2012 #264

There's still a fight over this? MrScorpio Sep 2012 #275

Sounds sort of like my dad, actually... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #276

There seems to be a meme being promoted that only the poor should hunt for food. PavePusher Sep 2012 #392

I hope you're not trying to put that in my mouth. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #399

I read this: PavePusher Sep 2012 #400

Well, they certainly don't do it for survival... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #406

"canned hunts", while they certainly exist... PavePusher Sep 2012 #407

It parallels the "organic is the only moral food" arguments. 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #405

BFD, many people learn to shoot, to hunt at that age. montanto Sep 2012 #283

This was clearly just a stunt to endear him to the NRA. hamsterjill Sep 2012 #286

Are you for real? glacierbay Sep 2012 #297

Absolutely, I'm for real. hamsterjill Sep 2012 #298

Yeah glacierbay Sep 2012 #299

Well someone's gotta drive a ten year old to the mall. hamsterjill Sep 2012 #300

You have a good evening also. glacierbay Sep 2012 #302

You realize that first one is totally photoshopped, right? Brickbat Sep 2012 #303

Whoops. glacierbay Sep 2012 #306

You're welcome, and I'm sorry to cackle at you. Brickbat Sep 2012 #307

Quite alright glacierbay Sep 2012 #309

Fine by me. bigwillq Sep 2012 #288

Agreed. Hunting is part of the culture here in WI and this is a non-story. PeaceNikki Sep 2012 #308

my 2 cents... Hukdonfonix Sep 2012 #304

And... backcountry nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #314

ok Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #319

I live in San Diego, and as urban as it can get nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #320

Yeah, way easier to go kill things iamthebandfanman Sep 2012 #329

Can you live on Cal Fresh? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #330

Changing the subject, but okay ill bite. iamthebandfanman Sep 2012 #333

Simpler than that, do you eat any form of animal product? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #334

Are you saying it's better for people to be dependent than independent? PavePusher Sep 2012 #350

So is smoking crystal meth.. iamthebandfanman Sep 2012 #328

Nice insult there nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #331

insult? iamthebandfanman Sep 2012 #332

Given that I do not hunt sparky nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #336

STOP TRYING TO TAKE OUR GUNS GAWD!!! iamthebandfanman Sep 2012 #326

Hold your watches up, folks. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #344

What in the fuck does suicide have to do with hunting? glacierbay Sep 2012 #355

I do not consider this a relevant campaign issue bluestateguy Sep 2012 #327

Big fucking woopie. Who gives a fuck if he outfitts her in a turd hat. lonestarnot Sep 2012 #340

As a Southerner, I can't see what the deal is Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #342

I call it ann--- Sep 2012 #351

Then you have no idea what real child abuse is glacierbay Sep 2012 #356

Agree with gb and... how do you think that food got to the store shelf? PavePusher Sep 2012 #359

I thought this was a parody but apparently such people exist: 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #364

Not to mention the glaring cognitive disonance here: PavePusher Sep 2012 #393

Oh, are those the animals that self-butcher with full consent, and even package themselves? Brickbat Sep 2012 #360

Meat bought in stores comes from animals that died in their sleep 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #363

Heh. Brickbat Sep 2012 #366

Is part of the offense that it's a girl rather than a boy? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #361

I would not be surprised at all. Brickbat Sep 2012 #362

no Skittles Sep 2012 #376

Kids are always trotted out in front of the cameras, it's a fact of political life Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #382

Except I haven't seen any pictures of hiskids. PavePusher Sep 2012 #394

Public Service Announcement: PavePusher Sep 2012 #395

So saying that little girls (not little kids) 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #403

I wouldn't accuse anyone specifically of believing that, but I think it's a good point Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #381

Yeah that is interesting 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #404

Youth deer season is tomorrow in VA... ileus Sep 2012 #374

Well, Ryan bagged his first 12-pointer when he was 3 years old jsr Sep 2012 #377

and he turned into such a swell, empathetic human being Skittles Sep 2012 #383

Which has... what, exactly, to do with hunting? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #397

Other than him being an all-around douche, what's the issue with a father hunting with his daughter? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #378

Gotta pass on the thrill kill. Ugh. n/t demmiblue Sep 2012 #380

As long as he eats what he hunts, what is the problem? PavePusher Sep 2012 #398

Wow...what a thread kwolf68 Sep 2012 #387