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63. Lame duck damage

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:59 PM

Oct 2020

During the time between Trump losing the election and Biden taking office, Trump has lots of time to do irreparable harm to the country. The way he's acting he could well decide to burn everything down on his way out.

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25th Amendment Is FINALLY On The Table.... [View all] LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 OP

If I could give a 1000 recs BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #1

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The Speaker of the House LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #6

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You Go Find It. LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #11

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The Speaker is SECOND in line. volstork Oct 2020 #61

Okay... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #62

She's in the line of succession Zeitghost Oct 2020 #94

Okay... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #95

There is no need to be condescending... Zeitghost Oct 2020 #102

Uh Huh.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #103

You're very condescending. The person you're speaking down to is actually correct. Stand and Fight Oct 2020 #143

Tomorrow orangecrush Oct 2020 #136

THERE ARE NO TALKS! brooklynite Oct 2020 #131

Well the House is part of the process sadly just not the part that STARTS the process. Statistical Oct 2020 #13

Yes, it's an even higher bar than impeachment. Not happening. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #25

It would buy Pence 21 days. You can do a lot in 21 days. tinrobot Oct 2020 #49

+1 sandensea Oct 2020 #71

It's worse than just Pence being a coward DFW Oct 2020 #112

Section 4 Marius25 Oct 2020 #42

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Thanks for that. crickets Oct 2020 #54

Welcome to DU! Tanuki Oct 2020 #57

a law requires the potus to sign it (or an over ride).... getagrip_already Oct 2020 #60

Very good. Yes, this makes clear that in Pelosi's statement, "we" means the House. gristy Oct 2020 #101

This seems very unlikely Statistical Oct 2020 #114

It is in Section 4 of the 25th amendment whopis01 Oct 2020 #125

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Post #13 is not quite correct whopis01 Oct 2020 #129

Well, only once the 25th has been invoked - not before.... getagrip_already Oct 2020 #59

That's not quite correct. whopis01 Oct 2020 #128

for congress to do that... getagrip_already Oct 2020 #147

My point was about what is in the Constitution. whopis01 Oct 2020 #150

It might be a suggestion of convening "The Gang of 8" (Intelligence) BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #10

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I was scanning to see the origin of his tweet (he works for CNN) BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #20

Yes. I think it was a stupid comment exboyfil Oct 2020 #15

One thing I've noticed about Mme Speaker: she never speaks idly Hekate Oct 2020 #69

On a table that can't do anything about it? onenote Oct 2020 #3

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For mental illness I hope pat_k Oct 2020 #4

Lord Knows.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #14

My 25th BINGO card has been blacked out for months. Hugin Oct 2020 #5

Likely.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #9

Care to expand on what these "behind the scenes" talks have suggested onenote Oct 2020 #21

True that - but I always thought it might be an escape hatch of sorts for trump getagrip_already Oct 2020 #64

The notion that Trump is looking for an out before election day is the height of pure fantasy onenote Oct 2020 #100

I agree, but mostly because... getagrip_already Oct 2020 #104

The Constitution is very vague exboyfil Oct 2020 #19

If there is no VP then the 25th can't be invoked. Statistical Oct 2020 #23

We're a month from the election... Calculating Oct 2020 #16

Lame duck damage CloudWatcher Oct 2020 #63

Could? He most certainly will try! getagrip_already Oct 2020 #66

Misspoke. CloudWatcher Oct 2020 #76

This has to do with gumming up SCOTUS nomination Le Roi de Pot Oct 2020 #17

How does anything the House does impact the Senate's consideration of a SCOTUS nominee? onenote Oct 2020 #22

Supreme Court deciding that impeachment precedes a confirmation floor vote? exboyfil Oct 2020 #24

Pelosi can discusss it but only the VP (and currently cabinet) can invoke the 25th. Statistical Oct 2020 #18

c) The POTUS disagrees My Pet Orangutan Oct 2020 #33

It needs to be discussed, with media reporting. The American people need to know Doodley Oct 2020 #26

I agree totally Doodley Blueplanet Oct 2020 #77

Steroid-induced psychosis? Botany Oct 2020 #27

omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg lindysalsagal Oct 2020 #28

We should, have Pelosi's office call me about direct experience JCMach1 Oct 2020 #29

How are you doing? n/t moonscape Oct 2020 #126

if she calls for it publicly what is mother's boy gonna do? ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #30

We already know what he is going to do. He will back his master. Statistical Oct 2020 #32

and turn down his chance at the big chair? ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #35

Yes. Statistical Oct 2020 #36

I wonder if she knows there are some in the cabinet willing to go forward with this. honest.abe Oct 2020 #31

Congress cannot initiate a 25th Amendment action. MineralMan Oct 2020 #34

I think she is indicating there will be discussions.. not that she is initiating it. honest.abe Oct 2020 #37

Maybe she's just trying to get Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #39

With putting it out there, she drives Trump over the edge. Captain Zero Oct 2020 #79

Not entirely true. Marius25 Oct 2020 #40

Also not entirely true FBaggins Oct 2020 #145

But, Republicans won't go along with it will they? Marius25 Oct 2020 #38

Talking to who? Renew Deal Oct 2020 #41

Talking is easy sarisataka Oct 2020 #43

I hope people know that she Pelosi is well aware that it's unlikely to actually be invoked. NYC Liberal Oct 2020 #44

At very least, it will drive Drumpf bananas. BlueWavePsych Oct 2020 #48

It's a good point. crickets Oct 2020 #65

I believe you've got it right. BarbD Oct 2020 #90

Woohoo! BlueWavePsych Oct 2020 #47

Oh, ok. Excuse me if I don't excited while nothing happens. themaguffin Oct 2020 #50

Section 4 Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers elleng Oct 2020 #51

+1,000,000,000 pandr32 Oct 2020 #52

More Details... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #53

It isn't TimeToGo Oct 2020 #55

It Isn't What? LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #58

On the table TimeToGo Oct 2020 #81

Catch up... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #82

Pence and the Cabinet are on CNN talking about? TimeToGo Oct 2020 #87

Umm..... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #89

Sigh TimeToGo Oct 2020 #92

funny. I don't see a single member of "the Cabinet" stopdiggin Oct 2020 #98

Praises be to Ceiling Doggo! shenmue Oct 2020 #56

Here's my scenario... llmart Oct 2020 #67

He should be talking to Barr, Mnuchin, Esper, Pompeo and the rest of the Cabinet exboyfil Oct 2020 #70

Someone smart is going to capture the news cycle for a couple of weeks. Pobeka Oct 2020 #68

Slim chance, but the fact Roc2020 Oct 2020 #72

25/45 Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2020 #73

Do it to piss of Typhoid Donnie. Pepsidog Oct 2020 #74

So far I can only find RW sources for this, I hope they're right. marble falls Oct 2020 #75

About freaking time Evolve Dammit Oct 2020 #78

Thank You Jesus Cozmo Oct 2020 #80

It's so obviously necessary that it can't even be characterized as an October Surprise eleny Oct 2020 #83

Really? Just weeks before the election. Bubs55 Oct 2020 #84

Did You Miss The Plot.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #85

I do realize tRump said that, and did not realize that was Pelosi's reason for trying the 25th. Bubs55 Oct 2020 #91

Do You Understand What The 25th Amendment Means or is Used For? LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #96

Yes. I know. Bubs55 Oct 2020 #99

This would only HELP trump. Stop with this nonsense. oldsoftie Oct 2020 #86

How Exactly? LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #88

As stated in #93, she has no say in the 25th. So it becomes fodder for the right. oldsoftie Oct 2020 #115

seems like it???? bdamomma Oct 2020 #116

Pelosi has no role in the process of 25th stopdiggin Oct 2020 #93

We can only hope MichaelSoE Oct 2020 #97

Have not read all the way thriough the replies, but my first thought? TruckFump Oct 2020 #105

How? The House can't do anything vis-a-vis the 25th amendment that would impact the Senate. onenote Oct 2020 #109

The issue is his competency. Which means... TruckFump Oct 2020 #118

How is the House going to determine Trump's competency? onenote Oct 2020 #120

Admissible evidence on the standard and.., TruckFump Oct 2020 #123

So the House is going to convene hearings and call witnesses who have not personally examined onenote Oct 2020 #124

Your point? TruckFump Oct 2020 #132

the point is that it won't have the slightest effect on the Senate hearings. onenote Oct 2020 #133

I disagree. EOM TruckFump Oct 2020 #134

As is your right. onenote Oct 2020 #135

Yes, those of us who use science and law. TruckFump Oct 2020 #140

A lot of people in this thread seem upset at the thought of the 25th being used against Trump UnderThisLaw Oct 2020 #106

Nonsense. I haven't seen anyone "upset" at the idea. Just realistic about it. onenote Oct 2020 #108

Hit close to home, huh? UnderThisLaw Oct 2020 #110

Nope. Nonsense doesn't hit close to home. But it deserves to be called out. onenote Oct 2020 #121

Which is exactly why I posted my reply to the OP UnderThisLaw Oct 2020 #122

Interesting.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2020 #113

The concern orangecrush Oct 2020 #139

When is self defense on the table? warmfeet Oct 2020 #107

FINALLY bdamomma Oct 2020 #111

Yes his wife could baker act him. Oppaloopa Oct 2020 #117

This presentation discusses the 25th. keithbvadu2 Oct 2020 #119

No, it's not... brooklynite Oct 2020 #130

Thank you madam speaker! ffr Oct 2020 #137

Tomorrow orangecrush Oct 2020 #138

Did you know Wash. state Desk Jet Oct 2020 #141

The optics are good. Aussie105 Oct 2020 #142

careful . . . this might well be seen as a "coup attempt" by those on "stand by" . . . OneBlueSky Oct 2020 #144

It's being discussed. I don't know how far it can go past that without Pence being on board. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2020 #146

What they're going to do is introduce legislation that would enable Congress to be involved.... George II Oct 2020 #148

We don't need speaknow Oct 2020 #149