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BlueCaliDem

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110. That doesn't invalidate her choice, and I did NOT claim such a thing.

Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:11 PM

Sep 2012

That's what you're making out of it.

The gist of the post was, with a choice as big as what she made, a life-altering choice, comes grave responsibilities. If you're anti-abortion because of whatever views you hold, even in a case of rape (I believe this is more of the statutory kind) this legal debacle can be the consequence of it.

You're correct. She shouldn't be punished for her choice to keep the baby, but unfortunately for her, that's exactly what's happened in the highest court of MA, and now she's facing the prospect of having to see the baby's father to arrange visitation times.

If her attorney's motion fails and she can't get the court to reword "child support" into "restitution", then she'll have to make peace with the guy's choice to demand visitation rights. Is it morally right? No. But it's the law, and it's the consequence of deciding to keep the child of her rapist.

I believe she should call his bluff. I doubt he'll want visitation rights. He just doesn't want to pay child support and is hoping to bully her. With this media attention, I doubt he'll go through with it and just pay what he owes the child.

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Rapist wants visitation rights; teen mom fighting back [View all] Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 OP

Well, it's clear she is anti-abortion and now she will pay the consequences BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #1

That is an appalling attitude. antigone382 Sep 2012 #7

Um, "she made a personal decision to keep the child" followed by "Who knows how much pressure BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #16

I don't really care. She shouldn't be forced to co-parent with her rapist. Period. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #29

Sorry. But the law says differently. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #68

what gross thoughts you have Whisp Sep 2012 #107

Maybe, BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #113

what bullshit. Whisp Sep 2012 #125

it's a mistake to play God Zygoat Sep 2012 #162

How many times in history have we had laws that were wrong? LiberalFighter Sep 2012 #167

That should be the law of the land. Rapists do not get custody to the product stevenleser Sep 2012 #135

Considering he raped her when she was underage, why is anyone allowing him near a child? aquart Sep 2012 #180

So you're in favor of "choice" only when you agree with the decision? 11 Bravo Sep 2012 #44

I agree with you completely. nt MADem Sep 2012 #59

No. That's what you made of it. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #116

Rape is rape bevb Sep 2012 #124

A 14-year-old kid was raped by an ADULT man obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #142

this -- and how much choice does a raped kid have obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #141

Legally, it was her decision. No one could force her to keep or not keep the child. antigone382 Sep 2012 #47

She made a choice and possibly was under pressure. How is that twisting or disgusting to acknowledge uppityperson Sep 2012 #104

This horrifying post is like a RW parody of liberal position cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #11

No. Keeping the product of your rapist while justifying it as a "baby" BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #18

WTF are you talking about? The "baby" doesn't need to be justified as anything. cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #27

As a juror who voted to leave #18 alone, I completely agree with your criticism of it. Jim Lane Sep 2012 #35

Well, the TOS has this paragraph in it that might work in this instance. MADem Sep 2012 #60

Unless the baby appeared miraculously and fully developed BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #71

Are you saying that this living breathing creature is not a baby? NotThisTime Sep 2012 #28

Ugh BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #72

Hate Christians much? TheMadMonk Sep 2012 #170

How old was the fetus when she decided to not abort? Since you obviously know more than any of us. uppityperson Sep 2012 #172

So true n/t ornotna Sep 2012 #53

indeed n/t fishwax Sep 2012 #62

I was thinking the same. What a crude and heartless post. Lilyeye Sep 2012 #82

there is no dilema dsc Sep 2012 #13

Yeah, it's a dilemma and I know as much about this as you. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #24

You're pro-choice? I'm reading that you don't respect the choice of this young woman in your posts MADem Sep 2012 #31

Yeah. I'm pro-choice, not that it's any of your or anyone else's business. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #39

What does rapists having access to children have to do with responsibility? antigone382 Sep 2012 #52

True. But the state has ensured it isn't the end of this story. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #70

If it's not anyone's business, then stay out of threads that discuss the topic, and don't make MADem Sep 2012 #57

You said what I was gonna say! Tsiyu Sep 2012 #64

Right. And MA's posts are all pink elephants and lemonade. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #73

You are more than welcome. MADem Sep 2012 #99

Wow. What an inclusive DUer you are. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #69

I don't have a problem with reading comprehension. You do. One of two things is happening here. MADem Sep 2012 #95

Naw. I'm articulating myself just fine. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #106

You carp about getting personal, and then you assume I have a "red haze" because MADem Sep 2012 #117

You say you've a 20 yr old. When you were pg did you call her your "product of sex"? uppityperson Sep 2012 #101

Nope. As a Christian, married for 11 years, and nearly 30, I called her my baby. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #108

And are you now projecting those feelings, emotions, thoughts, on to this 14 yr old? I see that is a uppityperson Sep 2012 #109

Please BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #112

Lol. Now you're channeling Akin. B2G Sep 2012 #122

Your derision of this person is about you. This bit from the article counters your "not truly" rape uppityperson Sep 2012 #140

I can't follow your logic. noamnety Sep 2012 #163

Yup. That is it in a nutshell. Thank you. nt uppityperson Sep 2012 #165

Only Christians can be "truly" raped; others are just irresponsible hussy-sluts, right? REP Sep 2012 #131

..... obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #143

So, according to you, there is 'rape rape', and then there is 'rape-esque' or 'rapeish' ? stevenleser Sep 2012 #152

And, nonconsensual rape where the victim is threatened isn't really rape obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #159

Yes, and if you will excuse me, I need to unknot my brain after trying to follow that person's logic stevenleser Sep 2012 #160

I know -- I need an Excedrin obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #161

A 20 yr old threatened, had sex with a14 yr old who's still very depressed.This isn't "truly" rape? uppityperson Sep 2012 #166

you're a Christian? Zygoat Sep 2012 #168

Do you feel better now? eom BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #75

Once again, xmas74 Sep 2012 #93

Why thank you! nt MADem Sep 2012 #97

BCD, you've been here way longer than my newb ass M_M Sep 2012 #63

most people of "faith" are of the "cafeteria" sort, and you are not the boss of this kid! bettyellen Sep 2012 #148

"Free ride?" surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #40

Why do you expect a child to think like an adult? DevonRex Sep 2012 #132

Your post makes DU seriously suck. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #14

I have one. 20. I don't speak for her. I speak for myself BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #19

"Traces" ugh. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #23

Your need to remove the choice for and judge others on that choice is appalling. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #30

??? Whut? eom BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #34

The poster is saying that you are in effect saying the choice to give birth Tsiyu Sep 2012 #65

Then the poster BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #74

your very first statement Tsiyu Sep 2012 #90

That doesn't invalidate her choice, and I did NOT claim such a thing. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Sep 2012 #111

Nothing was misread. Maybe it was poorly written. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #129

+1. MADem Sep 2012 #119

100% agree with this obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #146

Yeah. That's why it's called "choice". Zoeisright Sep 2012 #61

Yeah, choice. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #77

Your empathy and compassion for fellow rape victims is mindblowing obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #144

+1,000,000! nt MADem Sep 2012 #58

What? lapislzi Sep 2012 #15

I know as much about this person as you do. Keep that in mind, will ya? BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #32

Yes. When you choose to rape someone, that has consequences too. lapislzi Sep 2012 #38

Agree completely. Thank you for not making it personal or about me. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #43

Gotcha, and you're right. lapislzi Sep 2012 #86

"I know she made a conscious choice to keep the product of her rape" is the problem here. Not that uppityperson Sep 2012 #96

I didn't think I'd read any other posts on DU this week that could top the ones excusing Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #17

Oh. Ok. So people believing others should take personal responsibility for their CHOICES BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #26

No, the presumptuous, disdainful & haughty attitude you've shown towards this juvenile rape victim Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #33

Why do you have to make it a personal thing? Did I take your lunch money in Jr High or something? BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #45

OK, how about this? antigone382 Sep 2012 #55

You're far more diplomatic than me Tsiyu Sep 2012 #66

True. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #78

I agree. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #76

If you agree, why are you bringing up her attitude about abortion? antigone382 Sep 2012 #84

By your logic, there are no bad laws in the US obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #149

how is your judgment not personal? Zygoat Sep 2012 #169

You have a deranged thought process. n/t vaberella Sep 2012 #36

To say the least! etherealtruth Sep 2012 #50

More personal attacks. Wow. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #79

It has nothing to do with feeling better. It's an observation. vaberella Sep 2012 #105

Riiiight. Just an observation. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #115

Yeah, I think the MA judge is full of shit and this was a bad decision obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #150

You don't understand what a personal attack is, either. MADem Sep 2012 #118

I think you are making an unfair assumption Still Sensible Sep 2012 #37

It's not an assumption. It's based on the girl's own words: BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #46

OMG GObamaGO Sep 2012 #54

Uh . . . BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #80

She also claimed "He threatened me. He told me that he could make my life upside down, and I wouldn uppityperson Sep 2012 #98

Pro-choice is pro-choice. If she chose not to terminate her pregnancy, then that was her choice, Arkansas Granny Sep 2012 #87

What a fucking DISGUSTING post! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #89

What a DISGUSTING response to it! BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #103

I think you need to learn what Pro-CHOICE means. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #123

This has gotta be performance art, right? The "Liberal" Todd Akin sketch? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #92

It's called CHOICE. Lisa D Sep 2012 #100

Because she chose to not have an abortion, this means she should suffer the consequences of having uppityperson Sep 2012 #102

A Christian is supposed to forgive. Hatchling Sep 2012 #121

Are you frickin kidding me? forthemiddle Sep 2012 #134

That poster is not at all "pro abortion" obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #151

This is one of those "You really ought to think about that a bit" kind of posts stevenleser Sep 2012 #136

Very first response in the thread's attacking a rape victim. Classy. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #137

Perhaps the most remarkable thing about your post, apart from its reprehensibility, is the fact Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #147

+1000 Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Sep 2012 #171

Were you born this much of an asshole, or did you have to take classes? n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #173

excellent question! (nt) Tumbulu Sep 2012 #176

My goodness your post is so outrageous Tumbulu Sep 2012 #179

The legislature ought to pass a law which denies parental rights to rapists meow2u3 Sep 2012 #2

Child support is not "part of the punishment." Jim Lane Sep 2012 #42

This YOUNG teenager is not raising that baby HockeyMom Sep 2012 #3

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #4

This girl was in MIDDLE SCHOOL HockeyMom Sep 2012 #5

I'll pull the "womens' rights card" on this one. She suffered the rape and it's her child. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #6

Well, I agree with you there HockeyMom Sep 2012 #10

No clue. Not one bit of it makes sense. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #21

Wait... what??? opiate69 Sep 2012 #12

If she and her parents decide to keep the child and work out child care while she is in school... antigone382 Sep 2012 #9

Fine for you. lapislzi Sep 2012 #20

That's what I was thinking. Adoption is a choice, too. Iris Sep 2012 #22

I agree with you completely. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #25

Me, too. lapislzi Sep 2012 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #8

The young woman's attitude toward abortion is irrelevant. What's relevant is the attempt by the Monk06 Sep 2012 #48

+1000 orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #83

oh hell NO! robinlynne Sep 2012 #49

+1000 Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #51

The minute someone acknowledges a parent and asks for money/child support, it opens the door. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #56

The law should deal more clearly with the issue of rape, then. antigone382 Sep 2012 #85

I don't know about all state law, but I'm pretty sure that in Arkansas child support Arkansas Granny Sep 2012 #88

It is here, too obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #153

Then our legislatures are protecting rapists Tsiyu Sep 2012 #91

rape... does not open the door for shit with rights. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #94

Someone upthread said it..with financial responsibility come rights. Plain and simple. It's the law cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #127

i disagree. and all states should have laws, convicted of rape, pay financial restitution seabeyond Sep 2012 #130

It is not the law in every state obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #154

If she was applying for any state aid, they had no choice. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #174

Do all rapists have this right or is it specific to statutory rape? dkf Sep 2012 #67

The right to castration, and I'm a Liberal. orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #81

This isn't going to be popular, but I disagree with the use of the term "rapist" for this guy. Xithras Sep 2012 #114

He threatened her muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #120

So this isn't 'legitmate' rape?? B2G Sep 2012 #126

You blew it. The rapist had a consensual relationship with the victim's SISTER CreekDog Sep 2012 #128

It was -- and is -- rape obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #156

This is one of the worst threads I've seen at DU gollygee Sep 2012 #133

Seriously. These threads usually draw out MRAs and victim blamers, but wow. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #138

Outrage and PC on DU does not substitute for common sense, legal realities,before or after the fact. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #139

An adult man threatened a 14-year-old girl and raped her obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #157

Read the article again. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #175

Some of the posts in this thread make me wonder what site I'm on. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #145

agreed!!!! nt Tumbulu Sep 2012 #181

This thread is just disgusting obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #158

this thread disgusts lost-in-nj Sep 2012 #164

Is it in the child's best interest to establish a relationship with... Deep13 Sep 2012 #177

This is something ALL states need to address TexasBushwhacker Sep 2012 #178