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In reply to the discussion: WTF-- IVF is the same as murder? [View all]Warpy
(111,255 posts)No, guys, it's not a baby when sperm meets egg, nor when it divides and forms a blastocyst, sort of an organic soccer ball. It's not even a baby if it is successfully implanted inside a uterus and becomes a pregnancy. If you'll check those books you're always brandishing at the rest of us, you'll find out is doesn't become a baby until it exits the uterus and takes its first breath.
Anything else is patriarchal horse shit aimed at subjugating women and turning them into mindless breeding stock and natural slaves.
Only the religiously insane would call the desperate and painful attempt to conceive and carry a successful pregnancy "murder" because extra human tissue that is unthinking, unfeeling, and has only a remote possibility of ever becoming the end point of a pregnancy might someday be discarded when a family is complete.
I really have no sympathy at all for that viewpoint.
Congratulations on your two wonderful children. May ACB inhabit the hell she wishes on the rest of us.