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In reply to the discussion: Abortion: what is really the issue? [View all]Solly Mack
(90,764 posts)Right-wing religious wackadoodles believe that their god gave humans dominion over the earth and everything in it. The earth is theirs to do what they will with it. Use it up, kill whatever other animal they have to kill to sustain their beliefs/way of life. That their god will protect this way of living and that things like climate change, killing off animals leading to our own destruction, and anything else along those lines is a lie made up to scare people or that such things don't matter since their god will protect them.
Overpopulation only concerns them if it's the wrong sort doing the overpopulating (white supremacy). America's history shows that. Poor whites are seen as less by wealthy white supremacists though those wealthier racists will use the poor ones to do their bidding. The examples of this are readily available and especially easy to find under Trump.
Blaming Eve is sort of a ground zero for misogyny among religious wackadoodles. The whole women as temptress leading good men astray and childbirth as punishment thinking.
The idea that men can't help themselves stems from that. It's the seductress who causes it. Not the man. So it's up to women to behave in a certain manner that doesn't cause men to act out.
From that you get blaming the rape victim. What was she wearing? Was she drinking? How was she acting? Somehow, the woman asked for it because - Eve.
So it's up to women to not invite attention from men.
So the behavior of women must be controlled.
The whole bad girls v. good girls. Good girls don't get raped. Good girls don't have sex outside of marriage. Good girls dress a certain way to hide their bodies to show they're chaste. Good girls don't get pregnant outside of marriage.
Birth control comes along. Frees women.
So birth control must be bad.
Unwed pregnant girls are hidden, sent away, forced to give up their children. Ostracized, abused, sometimes murdered. Not as a common as it used to be but not so much in the past to be forgotten.
If pregnancy is pushed as the punishment for sex outside of marriage (and it is) - or a girl behaving badly - then forcing her to stay pregnant is what she deserves - along with the scorn that will be heaped on them for their bad behavior.
Abortion - legal and safe.
They see that as a bad thing.
Bad because now girls and women can hide their "bad" behavior. It's got nothing to do with the life of the fetus. Nothing. At all.
The religious wackadoodles want to exert control over behavior. Punish what they consider bad behavior.
They want to be able to attack and ridicule, to point to others as being bad - this allows them to feel (self) righteous and smug about being good.
This is what happens to bad girls. I'm not a bad girl so it won't ever happen to me. I am so much better.
Scarlet A's for all the rest.
The abortion issue is about control. Those against abortion want to control the behavior of women. Even the women in the so-called "pro-life" movement.
Evidenced by the complete lack of concern for the child once it is born. Also evidenced by how they speak of pregnant teens/women.
The whole bad girl bullshit. They want women to conform to a certain way of behaving - the way they think a woman should behave - and any deviation from that is seen as bad behavior.
They'll tell you that's it is not them, it's what their god wants but that's complete and utter bullshit.
Religious wackadoodles need everyone around them to conform to their way of thinking because that makes them feel safe about how and what they believe. They can deny their own desires and pretend they don't do things in secret if everyone thinks everyone else is behaving and thinking alike.
If they are all the same then how can they be wrong? If everyone behaves in the exact same manner, then there is no bad. If everyone believes exactly the same, then the world is a safe place.
If women are doing their own thing, then that's women rejecting the beliefs of the religious wackadoodles. Truly, woman or man, the religious wackadoodles can't stand it when anyone is seen as rejecting their beliefs.
They even consider that rejection to be a form of persecution. It's why they whine and moan about being poor, put upon Christians. Not because they are actually being attacked but because people reject their beliefs.
Look at how single mothers are treated and what is said about them. Look at how much more worse those words are, and treatment is, if it is a poor, single mother. A minority single mother. An immigrant single mother.
Religious wackadoodles really do view pregnancy outside of marriage as justified punishment. Get pregnant and not married? Force them to have their children and if they are poor, well whose fault is that?
Why should women who behave badly get assistance for their bad behavior? (WIC, SNAP, healthcare, anything at all)
It doesn't stop at abortion. This need to control women. This need to punish women who refuse to conform to their way of thinking.
They want to punish the women and the children too. Pregnant and not married? And you want to keep the child? Then you deserve everything that happens to you and your child.
Goes along with their if you're poor you've done something bad thinking.
If you're poor you must be lazy.
If you're poor you must deserve it.
All of it - all about control. Wanting to control women. Wanting to control other people who don't think as they do.