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Here on DU as well ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #1
The calls here on DU for criminalizing speech are troubling, indeed. MNBrewer Sep 2012 #3
I think the only free speech I would ban is the calling for banning of free speech. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #12
Yup. The Thought Police here at the "Underground" have fallen into line rather quickly. villager Sep 2012 #30
Pretty blatant examples of that here in this thread ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #33
What's really sad is how their ask-no-questions apologetics mimic precisely the things they pretend villager Sep 2012 #34
That's how you get people to vote their rights away 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #52
Right. And that the erosion of rights is okay because "our side" can always be trusted villager Sep 2012 #58
Naturally 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #122
You don't protect the rights of specific individuals 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #124
So, if that's true, you're willing to throw the 1st Amendment away, for good measure? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #128
Who else should we include in this list? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #143
The idea that OUR fundies wouldn't use such laws against us is naive and dangerous... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #162
Bingo!!! liberallibral Sep 2012 #93
But... but other nations ban blasphemy and hate speech! <--- sound familiar? Zalatix Sep 2012 #150
What the fuck?! Are you fucking serious?! n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #2
Yes, free speech is the greatest asset to democracy. alp227 Sep 2012 #97
I don't know, I like not having a state religion, too. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #4
So you say MNBrewer Sep 2012 #7
Who gets to decide what speech incites to violence? JDPriestly Sep 2012 #43
THANK YOU!!!! Your post++ alp227 Sep 2012 #103
So you mean, we shouldn't say anything mean about Adolph? socialindependocrat Sep 2012 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #62
I see your point, but MNBrewer Sep 2012 #67
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It went along with a LOT of other things MNBrewer Sep 2012 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #76
duplicate. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #147
duplicate. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #147
GOVERNMENT-SANCTIONED. Not some weirdo film-maker. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #149
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #84
Just so I'm clear here MNBrewer Sep 2012 #88
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Your time line is wrong, for one thing MNBrewer Sep 2012 #123
On balance, I prefer to have my enemies free to speak their mind openly . . . markpkessinger Sep 2012 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #120
That would be "Adolf" to his friends. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #146
Only if there is a direct call for violence and the crimes are imminent, not NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #74
If, heaven forbid, George W. Bush were to be assassinated by a deranged killer MNBrewer Sep 2012 #89
Speech that doesn't lead to imminent lawless action is not illegal NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #117
Well, YES, it's legal! MNBrewer Sep 2012 #125
There are already limits on speech. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #138
Actually, it IS FREE SPEECH... liberallibral Sep 2012 #95
Remember this saying by Benjamin Franklin: alp227 Sep 2012 #98
+1 MNBrewer Sep 2012 #101
It most assuredly fucking is. nt Codeine Sep 2012 #127
Careful, you'll piss off DU's islamophobes Scootaloo Sep 2012 #137
Do you recognize US jurisprudence as superior to any citizen's personal definition? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #145
If you were right then Sarah Palin would be in jail by now, as well as Rush Limbaugh and a few other Zalatix Sep 2012 #152
Dangerous stuff get the red out Sep 2012 #5
Oh really? 99Forever Sep 2012 #9
Can you imagine the abuse here? get the red out Sep 2012 #13
You think there aren't religous zealots ... 99Forever Sep 2012 #20
They are not the United States get the red out Sep 2012 #51
It's a brave new world MNBrewer Sep 2012 #64
It's looking that way get the red out Sep 2012 #87
"attacked"? 99Forever Sep 2012 #91
Where did I ever say that? get the red out Sep 2012 #110
Your words: 99Forever Sep 2012 #159
Still don't see where I told you to shut up get the red out Sep 2012 #166
And they're wrong to do so. jeff47 Sep 2012 #24
And that is part of their intention, to limit discussion on how Hitler and his evil.... Raster Sep 2012 #28
What specifically leads you to that premise precisely? LanternWaste Sep 2012 #32
here's the specific german law hauweg Sep 2012 #69
From your link: jeff47 Sep 2012 #156
Significantly different cultures ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #26
Don't get the mistaken impression that I... 99Forever Sep 2012 #44
It seems that in the US we are willing to risk offensive speech to guarantee free speech for the ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #49
Interesting ... 99Forever Sep 2012 #83
How are you going to establish that intent? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #90
Intent is established all the time... 99Forever Sep 2012 #96
I can say it MNBrewer Sep 2012 #99
Some speech IS criminal already. 99Forever Sep 2012 #104
Some, yeah MNBrewer Sep 2012 #105
Well yeah. 99Forever Sep 2012 #107
My point is MNBrewer Sep 2012 #109
Where did I ever say I ... 99Forever Sep 2012 #157
You want "hate speech" to be illegal. Which certainly would include blasphemy, right? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #158
No, not certainly. 99Forever Sep 2012 #160
Should these guys have been prosecuted for "hate speech"? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #161
Why? 99Forever Sep 2012 #164
I think saying things like that does cause actual harm stevenleser Sep 2012 #111
Can someone saying "homosexuality is intrinsically disordered" MNBrewer Sep 2012 #112
There is an important distinction. Leviticus does not rant against the LGBT community stevenleser Sep 2012 #126
Why does saying gays are evil need justification? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #131
I'm speaking to a potential law that I am talking through in our conversation. stevenleser Sep 2012 #135
Ok, well, i'm going to go on record as opposing that law, whatever it will be MNBrewer Sep 2012 #139
No - I don't thing the Teabaggers know the difference socialindependocrat Sep 2012 #80
Yes DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #60
I think the problem with discussion about this in the US is laundry_queen Sep 2012 #140
It's a tough issue bongbong Sep 2012 #6
no it's not. and yes, it is a simple problem. cali Sep 2012 #8
Assertions are fun! bongbong Sep 2012 #31
Its not per se illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater onenote Sep 2012 #39
Thanks bongbong Sep 2012 #42
I am against any type of restrictions on free speech... Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #10
no one likes free speech when it's against them. how many times has the lgbt community come out La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2012 #11
I'd say we do it quite often MNBrewer Sep 2012 #16
i have many a times and i am pretty sure if you search the archives so will you La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2012 #63
You have done what? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #66
seen people on du ask for free speech to be criminalized on the grounds of it being hate speech La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2012 #82
You have seen GLBT DUers state this? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #92
And yet Fred Phelps has not been attacked, no one seeks to jail him, he is Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #41
many many here and elsewhere have advocated against fred phelps free speech La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2012 #65
I'm a gay man, and I support his right to his free "hate speech" MNBrewer Sep 2012 #71
How do you say "go fuck yourself... and your religious views" in Arabic? -..__... Sep 2012 #14
The irony is that the film has caused people who otherwise would not be sympathetic to the Muslim JDPriestly Sep 2012 #48
I've had 3 posts hidden Oregonian Sep 2012 #15
grab a clue, honey. DU is a private organization, not a nation and not a world body. duh. cali Sep 2012 #17
I put the term "primitives" in quotes for a reason Oregonian Sep 2012 #21
The real problem here is extremists of all kinds... OldDem2012 Sep 2012 #18
Well said. And welcome to DU! hifiguy Sep 2012 #25
Here's an example of what we would have to look forward to MNBrewer Sep 2012 #19
Totally disagree with your point that "A war is raging against free speech" Jessy169 Sep 2012 #22
If you want to limit the discussion to the video "Innocence of the Muslims" and the reaction MNBrewer Sep 2012 #23
Definitely bigger than just the "Innocence of Muslims" video Jessy169 Sep 2012 #27
So you plan on criminalizing right wing hate speech? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #29
Me? "Plan" to criminalize right wing hate speech? Jessy169 Sep 2012 #36
I'll be a little more explicit, then MNBrewer Sep 2012 #37
As stated previously Jessy169 Sep 2012 #46
There are legal opinions written by legal scholars that have been used to justify the use of torture MNBrewer Sep 2012 #53
Obama at UN "the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #50
Yes! War against free speech does equate to a war raging against free speech. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #130
To be perfectly fair, the American idea of absolute freedom of speech is not the norm... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #35
I think that question has been turned around in your formulation MNBrewer Sep 2012 #38
Well no... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #40
That's not really what is being proposed MNBrewer Sep 2012 #47
Worldwide the norm is that women aren't really people 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #54
And "they" will enforce the global blasphemy ban with black UN helicopters. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #77
I doubt it will actually go through 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #78
Totally agree with your post Jessy169 Sep 2012 #68
To be fair DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #70
>Implying that the US wasn't founded by people escaping 'the norm'. Edweird Sep 2012 #167
Let them clean up their own houses first leftynyc Sep 2012 #45
I'm starting to think an anti_Islam video should be released every week quinnox Sep 2012 #55
hehe. Really! I mean when ISN'T this an appropriate headline MNBrewer Sep 2012 #57
That's taking things too far... Zalatix Sep 2012 #154
Are the "Arab and Muslim leaders" who are proposing this law ... surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #73
Vatican Walks A Fine Line On Trying To Combat Blasphemy In UN MNBrewer Sep 2012 #79
Bwhahahahahahahahaha! 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #81
There's the problem get the red out Sep 2012 #113
The standard seems to be that A) the person being mocked geniuinely believes 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #114
Some religious beliefs RIGHTLY deserve mockery! MNBrewer Sep 2012 #115
Beyond the "don't be a dick to each other" proclamations that every religion touches on 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #116
I agree with you MNBrewer Sep 2012 #118
People have concocted some strange beliefs about god 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #121
+100,000,000!!! Well said! Zalatix Sep 2012 #155
Fuck religion. Alduin Sep 2012 #85
Religion. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2012 #86
About the author: alp227 Sep 2012 #94
Time for the Muslim world to discover the Enlightenment. Claims of blasphemy sure sign it NEEDS it! on point Sep 2012 #108
Absolute Kick for your reply. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #136
What is needed is for the modern world---including DU 100%--to LAUGH IN THEIR FACES. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #142
Been laughing at the religious for years. Doesn't seem to help. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #163
Yeah- not going to happen Marrah_G Sep 2012 #129
Are Catholics more civil/tolerant than Muslims? Go Vols Sep 2012 #132
WTH? Leave Catholics out of this. It isn't like war-mongers today aren't PROTESTANT. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #151
It was only an example of Go Vols Sep 2012 #153
Or clerics lying on tv and radio to incite riots over religion could be made illegal. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2012 #133
Blasphemy laws are a way to restrict criticism of religion which rightly deserves criticism. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #134
STOP IT! STOP IT! [tm Ann Baby] WinkyDink Sep 2012 #141
Nah. The abuse of "free speech" by a fanatical few is causing the world to consider... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #144
US Government actions against Occupy movement etc. nt. tama Sep 2012 #165
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