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In reply to the discussion: Abortion: what is really the issue? [View all]not_the_one
(2,227 posts)And the source of all the division? In your words, Right-wing religious wackadoodles. An extremely accurate, I might add, depiction of those in question.
The offending word in that phrase is not "wackadoodles". It is "religious".
Religions are nothing more than fairy tales created to explain which is, at the time, un-explainable. And even fairy tales have an agenda.
Science and logic should be the deciding factors. Scientifically, the only agenda is "out of chaos comes order". The universe, in its infinite age, seems to follow that path. Logically is where religion steps in and takes us down the rabbit hole. Apparently humankind is susceptible to gross manipulation of science, based on a totally agenda oriented logic, at which point it actually becomes mostly devoid of logic, and is based almost exclusively on agenda.
Our problem is we can't grasp infinity (of time, or distance). So we resort to fairy tales. One of twentieth centuries greatest philosophers, Marilyn Manson , said, "God is a number we can not count to..."
The bible itself says it is nothing more than a fairy tale.
IN THE BEGINNING... was creation. Time never began, therefore there could never have been a "creation".
AT THE END OF TIME... we will all be judged according to the guidelines of the fairy tale. Time will never end, so there will never be a "judgment".
For the believers? All for naught. Tots and pears...
The whole idea of control over women's bodies is based on a religious tenet that is false, illogical, and certainly NOT scientific.
The female body is responsible for (once an accidental sperm has been utilized) the gestation of the egg/embryo, nurturing it to birth, then responsible for feeding the child so it doesn't die. The male is relevant ONLY as an accidental occurrence. And more than likely, the LAST thing on said male's mind was to impregnate an egg.
RELIGIOUS MEN of the "right-wing religious wackadoodles" persuasion can't handle the downgrade to accidental occurrence. So there MUST be an agenda that gives control back to THEM. Biblical marriage, where the women gives up her family (a form of isolation) and cleaves to his (as his property), gives up her last name to take his, takes a subservient position in the relationship which allows HIM to make all the decisions, does just that. It was originally a business arrangement. In recent years that justification was adjusted (in most religious cultures) to account for "love".
Sadly, RELIGIOUS WOMEN of the "right-wing religious wackadoodles" persuasion, succumbed to this twisted agenda, becoming willful and voluntary slaves to their earthly masters (husbands), who were acting on the commands of THE heavenly master, who ALSO had a penis (GAWD). Not to digress, but if humans are made in God's own image, and humans consist of male and female, then God is a hermaphrodite. I'm just sayin'...
I believe the REAL purpose for marriage was access to sex on demand. The wife is to do her wifely duties and submit. Either agreeably, or not...
Modern women have rejected being controlled, and to do so ultimately is to control their OWN timeline of when to, or when to NOT, have a child. That is a threat to everything the religious right has manipulated into being acceptable societal behavior.
If we can't eliminate the source of the agendas, in their entirety, we must at least give the individual woman the right to control their own body.
It is both scientific and logical. Society would, in my not so humble opinion, be much the better for it.