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wnylib

(25,355 posts)
43. I understood the idea of judicial
Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:23 PM
Oct 2020

interpretation when I asked the question. What I wondered was what part of the constitution would lend itself to the interpretation that a sitting president cannot be indicted. You answered that with a plausible interpretation of impeachment as a defense against criminal indictment in a court, and arrest. His position as head of the Justice Department gives him a political advantage against federal criminal charges since he appoints the AG, as we see with Barr.

But would that extend to non federal charges, e.g. criminal charges brought by one or more ststes? NY was able to issue a ruling about his NY based charities. And he also was ruled against for his Trump University fraud. True, that ruling did not involve arrest and and removal from office for actions that might have got someone else criminal fraud charges and some prison time.

Since impeachment is a political process rather than a criminal court process, there needs to be the possibility of criminal charges, at least for felonies, or else the concept of even the president not being above the law is meaningless.

What if the president is in the process of committing a serious crime that is so injurious to citizens or to national security that it requires immediate action - more immediate than the lengthy process of impeachment? If he is surrounded by political toadies and accomplices, how can he be stopped? Do we need an amendment that specifies what types of crimes require such urgent action that the president can be immediately charged? Something written well enough to prevent political abuse of the amendment.

Meantime, if he relies on judicial interpretation based on the option of impeachment to protect him, it is especially convenient that he will soon have a 6 to 3 conservative majority on the SC.

So, after losing the election and knowing he faces criminal charges once Biden is in office, he can skip the country between Nov 3 and Jan 20 to evade state charges and prosecution, since a federal pardon from Pence would not apply to state charges. Or, does he expect to appeal state charges all the way to the SC and get a favorable ruling from the addition of his conservative appointees?

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Jeezus soothsayer Oct 2020 #1
stochastic terrorism. mopinko Oct 2020 #2
Yes, it's a real thing that directly applies to what we are going through with Trump trickyguy Oct 2020 #5
You might consider posting it.. reACTIONary Oct 2020 #7
Stochastic terrorism: catbyte Oct 2020 #16
Got this from Wikipedia. Stochastic terrorism: trickyguy Oct 2020 #20
The idea of not indicting a sitting president wnylib Oct 2020 #21
It's a policy, not an explicit constitutional prohibition... reACTIONary Oct 2020 #28
How can it be "implicitly" prohibited? wnylib Oct 2020 #30
Through judicial interpretation... reACTIONary Oct 2020 #35
I understood the idea of judicial wnylib Oct 2020 #43
Good questions! And yes, that SCOTUS appointment ... reACTIONary Oct 2020 #45
Through judicial interpretation... reACTIONary Oct 2020 #36
Thanks! nt reACTIONary Oct 2020 #29
limbaugh is a genius at it and in MI, Mich State 11 and UM 7 support 18 limbaugh stations certainot Oct 2020 #39
Yes and it is just about time to say to hell with any memo Bev54 Oct 2020 #14
wikipedia gristy Oct 2020 #18
Yup sakabatou Oct 2020 #19
That's what I thought too BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2020 #31
been said here many times. mopinko Oct 2020 #33
Kick n/t hibbing Oct 2020 #3
Inciting violence against an elected official. Trump is a terrorist! Lonestarblue Oct 2020 #4
Isn't inciting violence a crime? BarbD Oct 2020 #10
Yes. But not an easy one to prove. wnylib Oct 2020 #23
Lock him the fuck up malaise Oct 2020 #6
Trump needs to realize that he is vulnerable to state charges in Michigan. patphil Oct 2020 #8
That could be why he's mentioning leaving the country if he loses. NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #22
Why can't he be charged now? wnylib Oct 2020 #25
I don't know enough about the law to say but it sounds like a good plan to me. NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #26
I expect AG Dana Nessel to go after him when he's out of office. roamer65 Oct 2020 #32
Cause & Effect sarcasmo Oct 2020 #9
We must remove this trash Hip2bSquare Oct 2020 #11
I wish us all well. warmfeet Oct 2020 #12
He keeps this up? peggysue2 Oct 2020 #13
Rt.. Fucking Coward Bully trump needs Cha Oct 2020 #15
I'm mortified by our ignorance that the whole world observes. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2020 #17
You are so right. It seems like this is our last chance. NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #24
It isn't going to stop orangecrush Oct 2020 #27
Soul of a killer. zentrum Oct 2020 #34
The Democratic Party needs to make a bigger deal of this: Donald Trump equals violence. SMC22307 Oct 2020 #37
It won't stop until Trump is gone. Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #38
No problem... orwell Oct 2020 #40
Every republican elected official that remains silent is complicit as well. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2020 #41
The terrorist must be stopped and brought to justice dalton99a Oct 2020 #42
Damn straight. This needs to be repeated and amplified ad nauseam. Nitram Oct 2020 #44
K&R for exposure Blue Owl Oct 2020 #46
After 4 years of this shit, we're just waiting for the beatings to end Mr. Ected Oct 2020 #47
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