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Hutzpa

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133. Exactly

Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:54 AM

Sep 2012

most people are used to or wants drama all of the time, even when it comes to complicated issues they'll
rather have red meat yesterday than try to understand what is happening.

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If we give him a MANDATE, he'd better USE IT. [View all] elehhhhna Sep 2012 OP

Pulling hard to the left would be the orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #1

don't think a hard left is going to come from Obama, no matter the mandate northoftheborder Sep 2012 #2

agreed unfortunately roguevalley Sep 2012 #19

Obama is not a progressive. Many have mistaken him for that. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #60

Agreed Honey tech3149 Sep 2012 #85

He could have pressed the GOP MUCH harder many times. He played it safe for reelection. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #102

Eight years of slightly left is better than four years of radically left and four years of repeals tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #140

I take your point, but let's examine 2010. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #142

I do agree with that. Most people in the country are not progressive. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #153

Most community organizers tend to be progressives. Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #126

Most people don't know any community organizers. My pt was that Obama did not deceive anyone. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #154

It's up to us. Obama is not going to throw himself on his sword for us. bemildred Sep 2012 #3

yes! Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #35

"Obama is not going to throw himself on his sword for us." Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #92

What the hell more does he want? BlueStreak Sep 2012 #106

The problem is that ultimately, Presidents do not make law. bemildred Sep 2012 #124

Presidents have a lot of power legislatively BlueStreak Sep 2012 #125

THIS. And I would offer, that this IS the way it is.. Volaris Sep 2012 #110

I hope everyone has picked some House races DURHAM D Sep 2012 #4

What's an example of a hard left you would like to see him do? limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #5

Dump the Patriot Act for a start. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #20

I give that 0% chance of happening. Pres. Obama simply loves the Patriot Act. nt limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #28

Yep, that's what you are going to say about my whole list. We're fucked. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #52

That Is My Fervent Wish... WillyT Sep 2012 #6

We need to give him the Senate, to save SCOTUS. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #7

See post 88 nt tama Sep 2012 #89

I have a dream Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #8

I want what you're smokin'. rhett o rick Sep 2012 #24

me too! Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #37

I hate to be a downer, but they will. Those in the ruling class live by different rules. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #49

Sadly agree. gateley Sep 2012 #51

I'll have to disagree with you slightly on the ruling class bit Hutzpa Sep 2012 #66

Yup tama Sep 2012 #114

Exactly Hutzpa Sep 2012 #133

What it takes to tama Sep 2012 #134

"Hardly recognizable"??Yeah, thats a no DiverDave Sep 2012 #118

You would like to think so Hutzpa Sep 2012 #132

So, How do we get them out? DiverDave Sep 2012 #150

That would be sweet! Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #26

We have to be realistic Hutzpa Sep 2012 #68

I would hope that...but if it's close (in the end) and neck and neck.. KoKo Sep 2012 #9

Everything depends on the makeup of Congress. nt valerief Sep 2012 #10

Not everything. He can change the focus from persecuting marijuana sales to rhett o rick Sep 2012 #25

I don't think that's likely. Bankers donate more money to campaigns than potheads. Selatius Sep 2012 #70

What bankster have given money to his campaign this time around? Hutzpa Sep 2012 #76

Insinuation by question. Why dont you tell us in the form of a statement instead of question. rhett o rick Sep 2012 #93

There are a few, very few. Wall Street campaign donations - 10-90 Obama-Romney. pampango Sep 2012 #117

My point exactly Hutzpa Sep 2012 #129

... Selatius Sep 2012 #155

What a damn shame Hutzpa Sep 2012 #156

Which raises the question of just who does he work for, the people or the party? n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #94

been there. He did not use the mandate. He literally made the left leave the room. over and over. robinlynne Sep 2012 #11

i think the dynamic changes if we actually congres both ends of pennsylvania avenue unblock Sep 2012 #23

who cares what the right says. single payer should have been ON THE TABLE. then we might have a robinlynne Sep 2012 #29

The right has shown us that they don't give a shit Hutzpa Sep 2012 #71

exactly. unblock Sep 2012 #107

in this case, mandate == trifecta (presidency + house + senate) unblock Sep 2012 #12

+1 emulatorloo Sep 2012 #13

...and that equal same thing we had last time!!!!! We need FILIBUSTER proof senate, plesae people uponit7771 Sep 2012 #21

No. I believe the filibuster needs to be completely retired. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #39

Duh! nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #50

They actually never filibuster. the Dems just accept the idea that they will. robinlynne Sep 2012 #59

That is incorrect. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #100

interesting read. The Dems still have not made them do it. robinlynne Sep 2012 #108

Thanks! nt valerief Sep 2012 #121

technically, a filibuster is ANY delaying tactic. talking endlessly is merely the most famous way. unblock Sep 2012 #104

I agree Aeroette Sep 2012 #103

Harry Reid BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #128

You are describing the year 2008. robinlynne Sep 2012 #30

I really hope we don't have a repeat of the nonsense we went through a few years ago Cary Sep 2012 #14

which nonsense was that? robinlynne Sep 2012 #61

Private insurance mandate without a Public Option. That was the biggest kick, imho Selatius Sep 2012 #77

gotcha. I'm with you. robinlynne Sep 2012 #91

At the very least, the media can stop pretending that this is a conservative country.. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #15

"corrupt actions"? SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #41

He is unilaterally murdering people in Pakistan. There is no declaration of war with Pakistan, Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #95

Hmm tama Sep 2012 #113

"corrupt actions" What?? Hutzpa Sep 2012 #73

None of this wishful thinking matters if we don't get the House and retain the Senate Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2012 #16

IF you REALLY want him to "use it" then get him a filibuster proof congress!!!!!!!!!! uponit7771 Sep 2012 #17

Congress? treestar Sep 2012 #18

+1 exactly, this OP is more of the same flamingdem Sep 2012 #22

I think that the right will use "the Fear of a Obama mandate" to make sure that all Fox News watchin jorno67 Sep 2012 #27

slow and steady wins the long term race graham4anything Sep 2012 #31

+ 1000. This is the exact correct approach in our government. Slow and steady BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #42

Which direction have we been slowly and steadily moving in over the last 30 years? Bonobo Sep 2012 #74

Unequivocally to the right Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #105

I don't think he will. He had one in 2008. rug Sep 2012 #32

He went Center-Right as hard as he could during his first term. Why Left, now? leveymg Sep 2012 #33

Was that when we got ObamaCare? Cha Sep 2012 #63

ObamaCare is RMoneyCare. Have you never heard of Log Cabin Republicans? leveymg Sep 2012 #120

No it isn't. President Obama is Cha Sep 2012 #138

Our definitions of progressive differ. I think you mean pragmatic. leveymg Sep 2012 #144

I mean what has been accomplished so far with the Cha Sep 2012 #147

With recognition of how hard this is, I still want some progressive with the delivered pragmatics. leveymg Sep 2012 #148

In the USA, the only real mandate comes with 60 or more Senators and control of the House nt. andym Sep 2012 #34

I love this thread. enlightenment Sep 2012 #36

Exactly correct. n/t Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #78

+1 Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #96

. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #38

Mandate Level Vote Would Mean He Carried a Lot More Folks Than Lib Dems Indykatie Sep 2012 #40

IMHO the country as a whole truebluegreen Sep 2012 #45

He won't have much room to navigate........ Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #43

Harry Reid has been the majority leader of the Senate for 9 of the last 11 years. Does the phrase Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #98

It never ceases to amaze me that everyone doesn't understand that. wilsonbooks Sep 2012 #101

That's why it's so hard to be a Democrat. Being a republican is easy, there's no ambiguity there. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #119

These economic royalists are the malefactors of great wealth. OSPREYXIV Sep 2012 #151

Your lips to Dog's ears n/t truebluegreen Sep 2012 #44

it would be nice to see Obama seriously stop compromising with repukes Skittles Sep 2012 #46

Unless he gets the house & a filibuster proof senate there is no MANDATE krawhitham Sep 2012 #47

My wish list includes phiddle Sep 2012 #48

Democrats had a mandate in 2008... kentuck Sep 2012 #53

For 24 days? FDR had a mandate, 83% dem congress... uponit7771 Sep 2012 #55

Not really. He didn't win by a landslide. But if you're talking about having both houses of Congress Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #62

They had one and failed to use it. MrSlayer Sep 2012 #54

The only way he will turn left DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #56

Universal single payer health care... fadedrose Sep 2012 #57

We'd all love that, and it'd be the right thing. But it will never ever happen in the 2nd term. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #64

People are going broke paying for health care... fadedrose Sep 2012 #83

They barely passed what we have now, and if I recall correctly, hughee99 Sep 2012 #79

Have faith . . . fadedrose Sep 2012 #81

Oh, I don't dare think landslide. It would be great...but I'm a'feared of being jinxed. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #58

I agree, would love to see that but I'm not holding my breath Raine Sep 2012 #65

My thoughts: What do you define as a mandate? onenote Sep 2012 #67

A hard left turn is very unlikely if all the new Democrats are right-wingers. Selatius Sep 2012 #69

To all the people saying such a thing is impossible without a perfect senate and congress takeover.. Bonobo Sep 2012 #72

It's game theory. Nash equilibrium to be exact. Selatius Sep 2012 #80

I agree. What solution does that suggest to you? Bonobo Sep 2012 #82

There is no solution that would be called easy. Nothing that could be done in one lifetime. Selatius Sep 2012 #86

Thank god somebody else can game theory DevonRex Sep 2012 #112

Why indeed. +1 Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #99

You mean "continue to use it", NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #75

Hmmm, I think we need to hold onto the Senate first. Jennicut Sep 2012 #84

Obama is not going to move hard left. It's not where he wants to go. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #87

SCOTUS? tama Sep 2012 #88

Medicare for all and out of Afghanistan now! B Calm Sep 2012 #90

Because you think all 53% of the population who will vote for him ... frazzled Sep 2012 #97

I was thinking the same thing Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2012 #109

It's heartening to see Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #111

Predictable Third Way garbage from you. woo me with science Sep 2012 #122

Perhaps you can give us a list about what being a Democrat means. randome Sep 2012 #130

What a steaming turd of irony you just posted. woo me with science Sep 2012 #135

Wrong again. Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #152

ROTFLMAO! n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #157

Ah, the trusty ol' Label-maker Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #136

Well, when it's the goal of the Third Way and their ilk woo me with science Sep 2012 #137

You seem to honestly believe Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #145

Silly DUer. That's not *ever* how it works. Marr Sep 2012 #115

I'm too busy working elections JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #116

As soon as he's elected, we should get on him about it. Now, we should give him as many... porphyrian Sep 2012 #123

I love posts like this mathematic Sep 2012 #127

He's not going to do that.. sendero Sep 2012 #131

Good thing President Obama is not a Defeatist! YAY! Cha Sep 2012 #139

Yep. blue neen Sep 2012 #143

Yeah, Discouragement, Discouragement, Discouragement... Cha Sep 2012 #146

Yep. He's talking like one again now, but just wait. woo me with science Sep 2012 #141

Were you high or on psychopharmaceuticals when you posted this? coldwaterintheface Sep 2012 #149