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ProSense

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Mon Jan 9, 2012, 03:54 PM Jan 2012

Greenwald links to pieces arguing the validity of citing Ron Paul's views, and more [View all]

http://twitter.com/ggreenwald

Here is the most recent:

Finally, on the Paul debate: former ACLU Board Member Wendy Kaminer: http://is.gd/H5QJAW


From the link:

If Voters Cared About Liberty, Ron Paul Would Be the Frontrunner

His platform has some serious flaws, but Paul is the only candidate standing up for individual liberties.

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You don't have to overlook or make excuses for Paul's weaknesses on civil rights or his apparent courting of virulent right-wing extremists to appreciate and applaud his support for liberty, where it arguably matters most. After all, Paul poses no threat to racial and religious tolerance, civil rights, or entitlements; he has virtually no chance of becoming president and his own alleged intolerance is, to say the least, unpopular. (It demonstrates the declining respectability of overt bigotry.) But he has an opportunity to organize and perhaps empower voters who oppose the Bush/Obama security state. If only that were a priority, for Democrats and Republicans alike.

Presidential candidates, like nominal frontrunner Mitt Romney, aggressively advertise their patriotism, their embrace of American exceptionalism, and their love for this titular land of the free. They characterize Obama as anti-American: Santorum has accused him of siding with our "enemies." Romney asserts he knowingly promotes policies harmful to the country and that he will "poison the spirit of America" (and then they have the nerve to call him divisive). But with the exception of Ron Paul, all the Republican candidates, as well as President Obama, share a decidedly un-American disregard for liberty. The question is, how many voters care?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/if-voters-cared-about-liberty-ron-paul-would-be-the-frontrunner/250880/

Got it: President Obama. unlike Paul, has "adecidedly un-American disregard for liberty"

I guess the author believes that freedom to treat blacks like second-class citizens and for people to die without health care is "decidedly" American?

Paul On Newsletters: Not Only Did I Not Write Them, MLK Was One Of My Heroes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002135956

Ron Paul's hypocritical vision of health care: charity or death, "that's what freedom is all about"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100288476

Republicans Versus Reproductive Rights
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002141047

In Paul's own words:

“It’s not because I’ve changed my message,” he told FOX News’s Chris Wallace, in one of several interviews on the Sunday political talk show circuit. “This is what I’ve worked my whole career to warn people about,” he said, dismissing criticism that he’s a candidate of the lunatic fringe.

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And the Texas congressman is sticking to his Libertarian guns. He doubled down on statements from one of his books, downplaying the need for sexual harassment laws in the workplace. “Because people are insulted by behavior, I don’t think we should make a federal case out of that,” Paul said on FOX News Sunday, saying that unless there is a threat or act of violence, a sexually harassed person could choose or not choose to work at the offending location.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/the-die-has-been-cast-ron-paul-makes-closing-argument-to-iowa.php?ref=fpa



In Book, Ron Paul Opposed Workplace Harassment Protections

Ron Paul may be be polling well in Iowa, but he’s had a tough few weeks denying responsibility for racist and homophobic material once published under his name. Now, we can add women’s rights to the list. And this time, it will be hard for Paul to place the blame on another author.

As highlighted by CNN on Friday, in his 1987 book, Freedom Under Siege: The U.S. Constitution After 200-Plus Years, republished in 2007, Ron Paul made some eyebrow-raising statements about sexual harassment and women’s rights in the workplace:

Employee rights are said to be valid when employers pressure employees into sexual activity. Why don’t they quit once the so-called harassment starts? Obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended, but how can the harassee escape some responsibility for the problem? Seeking protection under civil rights legislation is hardly acceptable.

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The concept of equal pay for equal work is not only an impossible task, it can only be accomplished with the total rejection of the idea of the voluntary contract. By what right does the government assume power to tell an airline it must hire unattractive women if it does not want to?

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Other passages in the book include jabs about LGBT people and AIDS. Like the notorious newsletters which include unsavory passages about the AIDS epidemic, Paul writes that the Founding Fathers probably wouldn’t favor AIDS research and that insurance companies should have the right to refuse care to patients with HIV/AIDS:

Victims of the disease AIDS argue…for crash research programs (to be paid for by people who don’t have AIDS), demanding a cure…The individual suffering from AIDS certainly is a victim — frequently a victim of his own lifestyle — but this same individual victimizes innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care. Crash research programs are hardly something, I believe, the Founding Fathers intended when they talked about equal rights.

And of course, Paul also takes issue with minority rights, wondering, if there’s a black and hispanic caucus in Congress, why not a white one too?

White people who organize and expect the same attention as other groups are quickly and viciously condemned as dangerous bigots. Hispanic, black, and Jewish caucuses can exist in the U.S. Congress, but not a white caucus, demonstrating the absurdity of this approach for achieving rights for everyone.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/in-book-ron-paul-opposed-workplace-harassment-protections.php


Crackpots Do Not Make Good Messengers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002112129
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the vendetta continues Enrique Jan 2012 #1
That was ProSense Jan 2012 #2
i liked it Enrique Jan 2012 #13
Interesting ProSense Jan 2012 #16
Ah, Libertarianism... FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #18
And just think ProSense Jan 2012 #20
True, for a group who believes itself to be "individuals" they sure act like cultists. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #22
ah namecalling Enrique Jan 2012 #23
Feel free to apologize for misrepresenting my post at any time. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #25
You say, "Correct those who stray?" JackRiddler Jan 2012 #33
Maybe you could address the Atlantic article's concerns about the growing "Defense" Security State villager Jan 2012 #3
Here ProSense Jan 2012 #6
again -- a blue link in lieu of actual discussion about *Obama's* policies villager Jan 2012 #12
Well ProSense Jan 2012 #15
You insist on attacking Paul, in order to attack Greenwald, while avoiding *Obama* villager Jan 2012 #17
Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #19
Well, you criticize Greenwald no matter what. Your current link obsession is just the latest. villager Jan 2012 #24
Am ProSense Jan 2012 #26
You criticize Greenwald because he raises uneasy questions about Obama policy. villager Jan 2012 #34
Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #40
I just posted an excerpt from the article in the OP. You're the one that's not discussing it. villager Jan 2012 #41
Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #44
Um, so you refuse to discuss the other assaults against the 4th amendment villager Jan 2012 #45
Instead ProSense Jan 2012 #47
"The blatant attempt at obfuscation!?" Like your OP, you mean? villager Jan 2012 #48
Maybe ProSense Jan 2012 #50
When you address post #34 - directly - we'll talk. villager Jan 2012 #53
Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #59
Cited it, yes. Addressed it, no. villager Jan 2012 #68
" Seriously, do you think red herrings and strawmen arguments work? " girl gone mad Jan 2012 #51
Careful there. Good citizens don't have opinions about the NDAA. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #38
yet when obama praised reagan, you argued vehemently that he didn't praise reagan.. frylock Jan 2012 #4
Are ProSense Jan 2012 #9
does it state that paul should be the frontrunner? frylock Jan 2012 #35
When Obama extended (routinely) the perpetual war budget... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #39
Obama extended it to 4% of GDP. OnyxCollie Jan 2012 #70
For allegedly not promoting Paul, Greenwald sure does a lot of promoting Paul. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #5
According ProSense Jan 2012 #14
It will make little difference unless Paul runs third party. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #21
I once linked to a DU post that linked to a website that linked to Free Republic which linked to... Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #7
Interesting, ProSense Jan 2012 #8
I don't agree with Wendy Kaminer's analysis. n/t Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #10
I ProSense Jan 2012 #11
Keep it up Pro--- trumad Jan 2012 #27
are you now, or have you ever been a supporter of ron paul? frylock Jan 2012 #69
She Seems like she has decided to redifine civil liberties as those defined by Libertarian Party pschoeb Jan 2012 #29
Exactly, ProSense Jan 2012 #32
Greenwald essentially claims to not be a Ron Paul supporter in this article: Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #46
You seem to be around 24/7 here. Curious. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #28
That's ProSense Jan 2012 #30
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #31
Seems this Greenwald cat kctim Jan 2012 #36
Greenwald is a total idiot surfdog Jan 2012 #37
That isn't Greenwald's piece in the OP. It was written by Wendy Kaminer. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #42
Let me give you some expert advice. MineralMan Jan 2012 #43
The questions you should be asking your self is, does some of Paul's views Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #49
Well put, Uncle Joe villager Jan 2012 #52
See, ProSense Jan 2012 #56
I said some of his views, not all of them, ie; the corruptive, counterproductive, racist Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #57
What do you think of Obama's vile and racist war on drugs? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #58
It ProSense Jan 2012 #62
You did not answer the question. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #63
Sure ProSense Jan 2012 #64
Too bad the previous bill co-sponsored by Kucinich and Paul didn't pass... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #65
Apparently that appeals to Greenwald and certain other "Progressives" Son of Gob Jan 2012 #61
Apparently. n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #67
Our daily five minutes of hate expand... nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #54
Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #55
Voters who care about liberty quaker bill Jan 2012 #60
where to start? arely staircase Jan 2012 #66
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