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39. don't forget house and senate hearings.. media complicity... actual vote tampering...

Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:59 AM

Oct 2020

There were LOTS of reasons the comey letter had the impact it did, but the media amplified it and used it to generate intense negative feelings toward clinton - and had been doing so for years.

bengazi, emails, wikileaks, russian trolls using information provided by the gop to target americans.. dark money coming in from overseas.

LOTS of reason. Comey was the match, but the fuel was already there.

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Nate Silver seems to be saying the writing is on the wall at this point [View all] Dr. Jack Oct 2020 OP

A really different tone than what Silver took four years ago. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #1

We can "thank" Comey for what happened in 2016 still_one Oct 2020 #2

And it was hard to fully judge the effects until... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #8

Even before Comey, she was struggling. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #13

Hillary also didn't have 50 million people already vote Marius25 Oct 2020 #30

She had already had to regain ground from Comey's first attack in July. LisaM Oct 2020 #55

I think you're right in your last paragraph. Butterflylady Oct 2020 #56

Even another DOJ or FBI trick wouldn't work now. Thanks to Trump and Barr, they are untrusted. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #16

don't forget house and senate hearings.. media complicity... actual vote tampering... getagrip_already Oct 2020 #39

The election was decided by a few thousand voters in 3 states PTWB Oct 2020 #45

Hillary was a flawed candidate to begin with and why any so called "lead" was problematic beachbumbob Oct 2020 #3

yeah she didn't have a penis dsc Oct 2020 #5

+ JI7 Oct 2020 #11

Ding ding ding jcgoldie Oct 2020 #23

Right, as if the orange turd wasn't. brush Oct 2020 #33

And all the Russian bot shit spread on the internet about her: from game boards to cooking chat room AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2020 #28

That sums it up nicely DFW Oct 2020 #50

The public didn't like her much and she ran a poor campaign Amishman Oct 2020 #58

It is not that she was flawed. Boxerfan Oct 2020 #6

This Cosmocat Oct 2020 #17

No it wasn't Rush (at least not just Rush) dsc Oct 2020 #25

yup - just look back at the daily morning scum diatribes... getagrip_already Oct 2020 #40

It was her role in attempting to reform healthcare in the mid-90s. Dave Starsky Oct 2020 #43

She May Have Been Flawed But Let's Not Forget She Still Won THe Poplular Vote Me. Oct 2020 #7

Every candidate is flawed. TwilightZone Oct 2020 #9

bottom line, she was flawed even within the democratic party that saw the leftwing actively go after beachbumbob Oct 2020 #14

Biden is flawed "even within the Democratic Party" TwilightZone Oct 2020 #26

I totally disagree. StevieM Oct 2020 #37

I think that is the key takeaway from 2016 but people don't realize it yet Dr. Jack Oct 2020 #21

This! Dream Girl Oct 2020 #44

Dead on. PTWB Oct 2020 #46

Mitch would never have allowed her to be moonscape Oct 2020 #66

Sanders came in first or 2nd place in most states JonLP24 Oct 2020 #70

I like Sanders, don't get me wrong Dr. Jack Oct 2020 #72

No. She wasn't. StevieM Oct 2020 #38

She also didn't campaign in states that she thought she had won qanda Oct 2020 #48

Two differences from 2016 Windy City Charlie Oct 2020 #15

Sure. Because her lead was not this large nor durable. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #34

Trump is an empty suit and everyone can see that beyond his base that will settle for that as he Doodley Oct 2020 #4

The Comey letter came out almost 4 years ago now NewJeffCT Oct 2020 #10

The Comey Letter came out 11 days before the election. We're 11 days out now. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #18

Comey was still a trusted figure back then; DOJ and FBI don't have anybody like that now. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #22

Comey also didn't make things up. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #24

What He Didn't Do Me. Oct 2020 #59

A lie of omission, added to a lie of exaggeration. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #64

Exactly Me. Oct 2020 #67

It was still very close, but she was probably headed... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #20

Here's a post I made on this subject four years ago. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #27

Thanks! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #29

I didn't either. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #31

The loss in Florida was foreboding, but I still had... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #32

I just did a quick DU search to see if I could find an OP on a long-forgotten double-whammy Celerity Oct 2020 #53

Thank you for pulling this material together. Mike 03 Oct 2020 #12

May be...but remember he was wrong on the 5 key states in 2016... cbdo2007 Oct 2020 #19

Just remember he is not a pollster. But an aggravator. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #35

Yeah, I saw that video they posted recently about the difference between 2016 and 2020... cbdo2007 Oct 2020 #36

Trafalgar seems to be an outlier at least this year ArizonaLib Oct 2020 #54

Yes, so it is difficult to determine this year. They were the outlier on many states in 2016 also. cbdo2007 Oct 2020 #60

I agree ArizonaLib Oct 2020 #61

One thing I thing few polls are weighing is the youth vote. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #62

The polls weren't wrong, the polls changed. StevieM Oct 2020 #41

Correct, look at this article from 3 days prior to the Comey letter Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #65

Brilliantly said. StevieM Oct 2020 #68

It ain't over til it's over and litigation ends bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #42

Biden closed the deal in the final debate DIVINEprividence Oct 2020 #47

"Final forecast from Nate Silver's 538 ups Clinton's chances of victory to 71%" LiberalLovinLug Oct 2020 #49

He is not a pollster. He does none. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #63

Which means that Trump had a real shot. Happy Hoosier Oct 2020 #71

It won't be about the vote edhopper Oct 2020 #51

and accepting the count of the vote (n/t) CoryTrevor Oct 2020 #52

I am more worried about edhopper Oct 2020 #57

Things are simply different this year. PTWB Oct 2020 #69