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PoindexterOglethorpe

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20. Yes. Birds which are a form of dinosaurs did survive and are still with us.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 01:46 PM
Oct 2020

But they don't have the large frontal cortex that mammals have. Mammal brains are fundamentally different, and the book I, Mammal goes into that in some detail.

That fact wouldn't stop some enterprising writer from writing a book about a kind of dinosaur that was as intelligent as homo sapiens and developed a technological civilization back then. Heck, I've thought about writing just such a novel, but I'm not a good enough writer to pull it off.

The high levels of intelligence attributed to some of the birds still is on the order of a four or five year old human child. Not the genuine complexity of thought and reasoning of an adult human.

Sometimes I like to speculate what kind of civilization might come from highly evolved cats or dogs or elephants or any other creature we might want to think about. All of them have two huge impediments. First is limbs that can manipulate the environment as we can with our hands, especially our opposable thumbs. The other is true language. There are various creatures that have learned a lot of human language, and great apes who have been taught sign language and can communicate appropriately with it, although in a very rudimentary sense. That can't discuss ideas, such as is taking place in this thread. A lot of animals have their own complex system of calls, songs even, that fill important purposes for those animals. But again, they are not capable of considering or discussing abstract ideas. That's not to say that somewhere down the road (a very long way down the road) evolution might produce another animal with the intelligence and anatomy to develop what we call civilization.

I am not simply dismissing all non humans as mere animals, unworthy of respect. I am simply pointing out that the gulf between them and us is huge.

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What's a "lizard brain"? [View all] BigmanPigman Oct 2020 OP
The most primitive part of the brain unc70 Oct 2020 #1
OK, I get it now. Thanks!! BigmanPigman Oct 2020 #4
People dominated by the part of the brain that controls base emotions like unblock Oct 2020 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Beakybird Oct 2020 #3
Neanderthal, I think. nt Raine Oct 2020 #5
Nope. Neanderthals are mammals. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #14
Neanderthals were quite intelligent having uriel1972 Oct 2020 #15
Very true. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #18
Very interesting Raine Oct 2020 #16
As a matter of fact, dinosaurs did survive the asteroid impact of 66 mya, Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #19
Yes. Birds which are a form of dinosaurs did survive and are still with us. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #20
It only took only around 3-4 million years, blink of an eye in geological time, Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #24
Interesting links. Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #25
Eh, a couple million years of the right kind of natural selection... Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #26
Just give it time, right? PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #27
Time and the right selection pressure. Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #28
No, I didn't know that. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #29
No, the responsibility for those fires is strictly human. Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #30
Actually, I was pretty sure the birds weren't responsible for the fires. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #31
Ignorant white wingers. Hoyt Oct 2020 #6
In any vertebrate group, as evolution progresses, brain layers increase. Volaris Oct 2020 #7
They are members of the Reptilian Party. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #8
Meacham has been really great tonight Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #9
Or an underdevelopment? Whyisthisreal Oct 2020 #10
"Donald Trump is a product of the anguished nervous white guy's lizard brain" Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #11
Oh, so Meacham said it as an insult to tRump BigmanPigman Oct 2020 #12
I interpret that as an insult to both. mantis49 Oct 2020 #21
Same Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #23
conspiracy theorists BainsBane Oct 2020 #13
They are Amygdalan-Americans musette_sf Oct 2020 #17
Something Eric Trump would kill for. 11 Bravo Oct 2020 #22
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