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MinM

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33. Operation Hollywood: Pentagon v Costner
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:55 AM
Sep 2012

Last edited Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:14 AM - Edit history (2)

One reason I believe that Kevin Costner was so touched by that Emmy® last week could be the backlash his career has experienced from trying to set the historical record straight in his movies (ie., Jim Garrison and Curtis LeMay)...

Operation Hollywood
How the Pentagon bullies movie producers into showing the U.S. military in the best possible light.

—By Jeff Fleischer
| Mon Sep. 20, 2004 12:00 AM PDT

“The only thing Hollywood likes more than a good movie is a good deal,” David Robb explains, and that’s why the producers of films like “Top Gun,” “Stripes” and “The Great Santini” have altered their scripts to accommodate Pentagon requests. In exchange, they get inexpensive access to the military locations, vehicles, troops and gear they need to make their movies.

During his years as a journalist for Daily Variety and The Hollywood Reporter, Robb heard about a quid-pro-quo agreement between the Pentagon and Hollywood studios, and decided to investigate. He combed through thousands of Pentagon documents, and interviewed dozens of screenwriters, producers and military officials. The result is his new book, "Operation Hollywood." ...

...They also say it has to reasonably depict military operations. And if it’s based on history, they say it has to be historically accurate, which is really a code. They’re much less interested in reality and accuracy than they are in positive images. They often try to change historical facts that are negative. Like with the movie “Thirteen Days,” which was very accurate but very negative toward the military during the Cuban missile crisis, showing that they would have taken us down the path toward World War III. During the negotiations with the producers, Peter Almond and Kevin Costner, the military tried to get them to tone down the bellicose nature of Gen. Maxwell Taylor and Gen. Curtis LeMay -- who the record is very clear on, because before Nixon was taping in the White House, Kennedy was taping in the White House, and all the conversations from October 1962 are on tape. When Kennedy rejected LeMay’s insistence that we attack Cuba -- when Kennedy said let’s put up a naval blockade, we don’t want to get into war -- you can hear Curtis LeMay say, “This is the worst sellout since Munich.” He actually said that, when he didn’t think anybody was listening. Well, the military wanted to change it anyway, saying he was too bellicose and they had to tone it down. To their credit, Kevin Costner and Peter Almond stood up to the military, refused to buckle under, and made their film without military assistance...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/09/operation-hollywood

Perhaps not to the extent that these guys paid...
Gaeton Fonzi, like Jim Garrison, and Richard Sprague et al., did some excellent work on that case. In spite of some extraordinary lengths that some went to in an effort to derail their efforts. Fortunately these guys were able to emerge from this relatively unscathed. Others were not so lucky...

Abraham Bolden, Mort Sahl, John Barbour, and Roger Feinman were not so lucky. They were among those that lost careers for attempting to pursue the case...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1274427

But a price nonetheless when you don't play ball with the ptb.
Thank you for posting this Trailrider1951 Sep 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #5
And big oils connections. Things do not seem to have changed much. jwirr Sep 2012 #9
You are most welcome, Trailrider1951! Here's the guy who should be writing the book on Gen. LeMay... Octafish Sep 2012 #18
kr Norrin Radd Sep 2012 #2
The Railroading of LCDR Terri Pike Octafish Oct 2012 #44
"JFK and the Unspeakable" by James Douglass should be required reading in classrooms drokhole Sep 2012 #3
+1 That book explains the last 49 years hifiguy Sep 2012 #10
JFK, FDR and 'Seven Days in May' Octafish Sep 2012 #13
It makes the scales fall off readers' eyes. Octafish Sep 2012 #19
To paraphrase one of my favorite comedians/philosophers... drokhole Sep 2012 #20
''It's just a ride.'' Octafish Oct 2012 #46
^^This x 1000000000 truebrit71 Oct 2012 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #4
What JFK Really Said Octafish Sep 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #7
Who cares? they still followed the presidents orders. Javaman Sep 2012 #8
yup as long as they gollow civilian command who cares loli phabay Sep 2012 #14
Not exactly. LeMay ordered unauthorizedoverflights of Soviet airspace during Cuban Missile Crisis... Octafish Sep 2012 #21
My Mother told me a long time ago when I was a kid about a guy that lived in our neighborhood ArnoldLayne Sep 2012 #11
Thank you for sharing that, ArnoldLayne! We're just starting to learn the story... Octafish Oct 2012 #41
Kevin Costner's "13 Days" was a very accurate portrayal of this... MinM Sep 2012 #12
13 Days (2000) v Missiles of October (1974) MinM Sep 2012 #17
The Twelfth Day Octafish Sep 2012 #24
The Fourteenth Day MinM Sep 2012 #34
Thank you for the heads-up, MinM! Interesting Times, indeed: ''A U-2 has been lost off Alaska.'' Octafish Sep 2012 #22
The generals were obviously trying to provoke the Soviets into a massive retaliation! LongTomH Sep 2012 #25
Operation Hollywood: Pentagon v Costner MinM Sep 2012 #33
Mother Jones' Operation Hollywood cont... MinM Oct 2012 #35
World War II was so yesterday...Korea's the happening spot in 1953. Octafish Oct 2012 #37
Those who kept their wugs shut did all right. Octafish Oct 2012 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Sep 2012 #15
I wonder what this country would be like had we actually listened to Eisenhower's warning about the MIC taking over. Initech Sep 2012 #16
War Resisters has a nice graphic... Octafish Oct 2012 #40
Hell, I'd be happy if someone up top actually listened to it TODAY Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #45
Sole Surviving Son of a US Marine present and kicking, Sir! bobthedrummer Sep 2012 #23
We owe our freedom to you father and all who've defended this nation... Octafish Oct 2012 #42
Shoup was pushing for full on nuclear war on Cuba and Le May was playing the angles either way. nt patrice Sep 2012 #26
Echoed by Lemnitzer and Dulles who counseled the best time for a sneak attack was 'Fall 1963.' Octafish Oct 2012 #43
Bunch of fuckers gopiscrap Sep 2012 #27
wtf with the redneck crap loli phabay Sep 2012 #28
they weren't in private gopiscrap Sep 2012 #29
yeah as far as tbey were concerned tbey were loli phabay Sep 2012 #30
Not surprised by that response. Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #31
Agreed!!!! gopiscrap Sep 2012 #32
In October 1962, human civilization came close to being destroyed. MinM Oct 2012 #38
CIA still pushing the ''Castro Knew Ahead of Time'' Lie Octafish Oct 2012 #39
An interesting read. Justice4JFK Nov 2018 #48
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