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In reply to the discussion: Generals mocking JFK behind his back during Cuban Missile Crisis caught on tape... [View all]MinM
(2,650 posts)33. Operation Hollywood: Pentagon v Costner
Last edited Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:14 AM - Edit history (2)
One reason I believe that Kevin Costner was so touched by that Emmy® last week could be the backlash his career has experienced from trying to set the historical record straight in his movies (ie., Jim Garrison and Curtis LeMay)...
Operation Hollywood
How the Pentagon bullies movie producers into showing the U.S. military in the best possible light.
By Jeff Fleischer
| Mon Sep. 20, 2004 12:00 AM PDT
The only thing Hollywood likes more than a good movie is a good deal, David Robb explains, and thats why the producers of films like Top Gun, Stripes and The Great Santini have altered their scripts to accommodate Pentagon requests. In exchange, they get inexpensive access to the military locations, vehicles, troops and gear they need to make their movies.
During his years as a journalist for Daily Variety and The Hollywood Reporter, Robb heard about a quid-pro-quo agreement between the Pentagon and Hollywood studios, and decided to investigate. He combed through thousands of Pentagon documents, and interviewed dozens of screenwriters, producers and military officials. The result is his new book, "Operation Hollywood." ...
...They also say it has to reasonably depict military operations. And if its based on history, they say it has to be historically accurate, which is really a code. Theyre much less interested in reality and accuracy than they are in positive images. They often try to change historical facts that are negative. Like with the movie Thirteen Days, which was very accurate but very negative toward the military during the Cuban missile crisis, showing that they would have taken us down the path toward World War III. During the negotiations with the producers, Peter Almond and Kevin Costner, the military tried to get them to tone down the bellicose nature of Gen. Maxwell Taylor and Gen. Curtis LeMay -- who the record is very clear on, because before Nixon was taping in the White House, Kennedy was taping in the White House, and all the conversations from October 1962 are on tape. When Kennedy rejected LeMays insistence that we attack Cuba -- when Kennedy said lets put up a naval blockade, we dont want to get into war -- you can hear Curtis LeMay say, This is the worst sellout since Munich. He actually said that, when he didnt think anybody was listening. Well, the military wanted to change it anyway, saying he was too bellicose and they had to tone it down. To their credit, Kevin Costner and Peter Almond stood up to the military, refused to buckle under, and made their film without military assistance...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/09/operation-hollywood
How the Pentagon bullies movie producers into showing the U.S. military in the best possible light.
By Jeff Fleischer
| Mon Sep. 20, 2004 12:00 AM PDT
The only thing Hollywood likes more than a good movie is a good deal, David Robb explains, and thats why the producers of films like Top Gun, Stripes and The Great Santini have altered their scripts to accommodate Pentagon requests. In exchange, they get inexpensive access to the military locations, vehicles, troops and gear they need to make their movies.
During his years as a journalist for Daily Variety and The Hollywood Reporter, Robb heard about a quid-pro-quo agreement between the Pentagon and Hollywood studios, and decided to investigate. He combed through thousands of Pentagon documents, and interviewed dozens of screenwriters, producers and military officials. The result is his new book, "Operation Hollywood." ...
...They also say it has to reasonably depict military operations. And if its based on history, they say it has to be historically accurate, which is really a code. Theyre much less interested in reality and accuracy than they are in positive images. They often try to change historical facts that are negative. Like with the movie Thirteen Days, which was very accurate but very negative toward the military during the Cuban missile crisis, showing that they would have taken us down the path toward World War III. During the negotiations with the producers, Peter Almond and Kevin Costner, the military tried to get them to tone down the bellicose nature of Gen. Maxwell Taylor and Gen. Curtis LeMay -- who the record is very clear on, because before Nixon was taping in the White House, Kennedy was taping in the White House, and all the conversations from October 1962 are on tape. When Kennedy rejected LeMays insistence that we attack Cuba -- when Kennedy said lets put up a naval blockade, we dont want to get into war -- you can hear Curtis LeMay say, This is the worst sellout since Munich. He actually said that, when he didnt think anybody was listening. Well, the military wanted to change it anyway, saying he was too bellicose and they had to tone it down. To their credit, Kevin Costner and Peter Almond stood up to the military, refused to buckle under, and made their film without military assistance...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/09/operation-hollywood
Perhaps not to the extent that these guys paid...
Gaeton Fonzi, like Jim Garrison, and Richard Sprague et al., did some excellent work on that case. In spite of some extraordinary lengths that some went to in an effort to derail their efforts. Fortunately these guys were able to emerge from this relatively unscathed. Others were not so lucky...
Abraham Bolden, Mort Sahl, John Barbour, and Roger Feinman were not so lucky. They were among those that lost careers for attempting to pursue the case...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1274427
Abraham Bolden, Mort Sahl, John Barbour, and Roger Feinman were not so lucky. They were among those that lost careers for attempting to pursue the case...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1274427
But a price nonetheless when you don't play ball with the ptb.
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Generals mocking JFK behind his back during Cuban Missile Crisis caught on tape... [View all]
Octafish
Sep 2012
OP
You are most welcome, Trailrider1951! Here's the guy who should be writing the book on Gen. LeMay...
Octafish
Sep 2012
#18
"JFK and the Unspeakable" by James Douglass should be required reading in classrooms
drokhole
Sep 2012
#3
Not exactly. LeMay ordered unauthorizedoverflights of Soviet airspace during Cuban Missile Crisis...
Octafish
Sep 2012
#21
My Mother told me a long time ago when I was a kid about a guy that lived in our neighborhood
ArnoldLayne
Sep 2012
#11
Thank you for sharing that, ArnoldLayne! We're just starting to learn the story...
Octafish
Oct 2012
#41
Thank you for the heads-up, MinM! Interesting Times, indeed: ''A U-2 has been lost off Alaska.''
Octafish
Sep 2012
#22
The generals were obviously trying to provoke the Soviets into a massive retaliation!
LongTomH
Sep 2012
#25
I wonder what this country would be like had we actually listened to Eisenhower's warning about the MIC taking over.
Initech
Sep 2012
#16
Shoup was pushing for full on nuclear war on Cuba and Le May was playing the angles either way. nt
patrice
Sep 2012
#26