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31. I first voted on those lever machines too
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:27 PM
Oct 2020

But they were hardly the nostalgic dream machines we like to reminisce about. They could miscount, and were open to manipulation by election officials.

Lever machines are an amazing feat of industrial revolution technology, but unfortunately their mechanical nature is a huge flaw. Lever machines tally their votes on cascaded odometer wheels behind their back panels. A recent study found that 250 out of 800 lever machines had defective odometer counting mechanisms that would stick instead of turning over. Even when the devices are working properly, at the end of the day poll workers can misread the odometers. In the 2000 election in Boston, almost 20,000 votes were initially ignored because elections officials were confused about which odometer reading to include and tally. Although local voting law usually calls for more than one person to be present when the odometers are visible on the back of a voting machines, sloppy processes have been alleged to allow odometers to be misread or changed by unscrupulous officials.

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/assets/media/pdf/selker.pdf


Lever voting machines offer excellent voter privacy, and the feel of a lever voting machine is immensely reassuring to voters! Unfortunately, they are immense machines, expensive to move and store, difficult to test, complex to maintain, and far from secure against vote fraud. Furthermore, a lever voting machine maintains no audit trail. With paper ballots, a it is possible to recount the votes if there is an allegation of fraud. With lever voting machines, there is nothing to recount!

In effect, lever voting machines were the "quick technological fix" for the problems of a century ago; they eliminated the problems people understood while they introduced new problems. Because they are expensive to test, complete tests are extremely rare. The mechanism is secure against tampering by the public, but a technician can easily fix a machine so that one voting position will never register more than some set number of votes, and this may not be detected for years.

In effect, with lever voting machines, you put your trust in the technicians who maintain the machines, and if you want to rig an election, all you need to do is buy the services of enough of these technicians. This is quite feasible for a metropolitan political machine.

https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/congress.html

And I remember exit polls being correct about 99% of the time, until Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #1
Dukmejian & Bradley Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2020 #35
By age 12 I understood you could go to sleep knowing exit polls would accurately predict winner lostnfound Oct 2020 #48
Yes mercuryblues Oct 2020 #2
I kind of remember that too. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2020 #4
NJ now moved polling places out of schools to prevent people from just walking into them. TheBlackAdder Oct 2020 #37
Here in RI/MA, schools are still used as polling locations, Totally Tunsie Oct 2020 #41
The dismantling of our democracy began shortly thereafter with saint ronny PSPS Oct 2020 #3
This!👆 SheltieLover Oct 2020 #5
This is the truth. I'm 61. My entire adult life has been spent watching Progressive Jones Oct 2020 #27
What you state is all too true PufPuf23 Oct 2020 #28
+1 Disturbing to see pieces lately painting Reagan in a better light. appalachiablue Oct 2020 #39
That parallels my experience misanthrope Oct 2020 #6
We've come a LONG way since then!!! ret5hd Oct 2020 #7
Piece of cake! Easy as pie! Quixote1818 Oct 2020 #14
You don't mention where this was... brooklynite Oct 2020 #8
Las Cruces, New Mexico mid to late 70s. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2020 #10
In my county... LiberalFighter Oct 2020 #26
I've never heard the wealthy complain about this. And there are reasons Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #40
In the 70s I was a college student (and a Ward Committeeman) brooklynite Oct 2020 #46
Zip code. And the person you replied to, specifically said Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #47
Again. My experiences today have nothing to do with wealth... brooklynite Oct 2020 #49
Yes, looks like the machine I first voted on. sinkingfeeling Oct 2020 #9
I remember my dad taking me behind the curtain while he voted Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #11
Remember all of the above soothsayer Oct 2020 #12
That's how I first voted. BainsBane Oct 2020 #13
We learned to vote on those big machines in elementary school. Liberal In Texas Oct 2020 #15
I took my 1st graders to every election in our school BigmanPigman Oct 2020 #16
How wonderful. Thanks for sharing your story. gristy Oct 2020 #22
I learned a lot from them too. BigmanPigman Oct 2020 #24
The '70s was a time before the GOP went fascist. Sneederbunk Oct 2020 #17
In 1976, the American population was 218M Sogo Oct 2020 #18
Cast my first votes on those in the 80's bottomofthehill Oct 2020 #19
I loved those voting machines. There was... 3catwoman3 Oct 2020 #20
I remember when our county stopped using those machines csziggy Oct 2020 #21
In Bexar County, Texas our Elections Administrator is hired, not elected LeftInTX Oct 2020 #50
Since our county if very blue, it has not been a problem csziggy Oct 2020 #53
So I assume it is a non-partisan position? LeftInTX Oct 2020 #60
About 20-30 they made all the county level positions "non-partisan" csziggy Oct 2020 #62
They were required to be retired by the Help America Vote Act of 2002 -- Congress' fault Klaralven Oct 2020 #23
And it went fast Generic Brad Oct 2020 #25
A few years ago each precinct had its own voting place now we have four doc03 Oct 2020 #29
I think it might have still happened like the Literacy tests in the 60s and before JI7 Oct 2020 #30
I first voted on those lever machines too frazzled Oct 2020 #31
I grew up in Oregon. In school on election days they would tell us to be very quiet. Olafjoy Oct 2020 #32
Our schools are closed on Election Day to allow for the availability Totally Tunsie Oct 2020 #38
In the late 70's/early 80s, I worked for a moving and storage company in Chicago that Progressive Jones Oct 2020 #33
I remember going to vote with my parents MyMission Oct 2020 #34
In the 1970s there was little or no early voting. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #36
You make an excellent point about precinct size LeftInTX Oct 2020 #51
We have to go to a Church to vote, with schools on every corner Greybnk48 Oct 2020 #42
We can vote at any voting center in the county Retrograde Oct 2020 #54
Someone's garage..LOL LeftInTX Oct 2020 #58
IIRC, we had punch cards Retrograde Oct 2020 #61
My parents always voted by mail (absentee) LeftInTX Oct 2020 #43
Unless you close them schools can't be used as polling places anymore dsc Oct 2020 #44
We still vote at schools where I live. LeftInTX Oct 2020 #52
Do your kids get election day off dsc Oct 2020 #55
No..schools are open LeftInTX Oct 2020 #57
that surprises me dsc Oct 2020 #59
population was much lower then as well Amishman Oct 2020 #45
I waited for hours to vote on one of those machines on Election Day 1980 LeftInTX Oct 2020 #56
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