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In reply to the discussion: PA: Insider Advantage (B-) Trump +3 [View all]Statistical
(19,264 posts)34. So some red flags that might help people spot other dubious polls
Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2020, 04:02 PM - Edit history (1)
https://overland.amgreatness.com/app/uploads/2020/10/PA-POll-Oct-25th-.pdfFirst the sample size is only 400 voters. For a race like PA and at this point in the race that is way too low. It means the MoE is 4.9% meaning that the +/- margin could be off by as much as 9.8% meaning not +3 Trump but actually +6.7 Biden.
If you want to run a lot of garbage polls and then just publish the results you like a large MoE is very useful. So you run a poll it shows Biden up 2 and you don't report it, you run it again and it shows Biden up 4 and you don't report it. You run it again and it shows Trump up 3 and you report that.
Most highly rated polling companies are using larger samples with smaller MoE (+/- 2%) in close states. If the race is close a wide MoE makes the results basically useless because most likely the results are going to be within the MoE (statistical tie) like this one is. The only way to avoid that it to use a larger sample with a smaller margin but if you goal is to published outliers that actually works against you.
Second is the tiny number of independents in the demographic. Independents are breaking for Biden so underrepresenting them is a way to push the results. They only makeup 8% of the poll vs the 20% normally. The poll internals show them breaking for Biden 3 to 1.
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I am doubtful of the accuracy of this poll. But like all of them all that matters is GOTV.
SoonerPride
Oct 2020
#2
We did win it...and this is a garbage poll suggest you add a sarcasm tag or self delete.
Demsrule86
Oct 2020
#18
The "InsiderAdvantage for the Center for American Greatness"? Sounds credible. Snort.
Efilroft Sul
Oct 2020
#9
" ... We identified seven InsiderAdvantage polls from the 2004 primary campaign, which
struggle4progress
Oct 2020
#28
"... the leading voice of the next generation of American Conservatism ..."
struggle4progress
Oct 2020
#14
Shit! Here we go.. He tightened the race the final week last time with a lot of appearances
helpisontheway
Oct 2020
#34
It does represent a sizable shift from their last poll, which had Joe up 3
Algernon Moncrieff
Oct 2020
#60
"Traditionally, the incumbent typically gets most of the undecided vote."
DemocratSinceBirth
Oct 2020
#62
I know Ras (who is famously in the tank for FAUX) is the only national poll with Trump up over Joe
Algernon Moncrieff
Oct 2020
#66