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electric_blue68

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264. Took me a while to come up with a relatively short...

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:29 PM

Oct 2020

phrase that highlights what you pointed out.

"Don't make vunerable groups into sacrificial lambs for your political purity, /or the revolt will arise ideas/argument.

I'd been struggling for years to hone this because I could end up sort of flustered and sort of blithering in a verbal discussion - since I fit into a few of the vunerable categories myself. Anxiety would get in my way.

Because of cv19 I haven't had the chance as this would often happen with people espousing their POVs - leaflets, petitions etc in Public places like a big Green Market, etc.

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The lifetime appointment of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court is dedicated to Susan Sarandon... [View all] NurseJackie Oct 2020 OP

And everyone who wouldn't vote because they couldn't have the candidate they wanted. redstatebluegirl Oct 2020 #1

Or simply forgot the astronomical favorability polls on HRC when she was in office ffr Oct 2020 #40

Great point, but she actually rose all the way to the mid to high 60s. StevieM Oct 2020 #124

+1 ffr Oct 2020 #133

we let 1500 radio stations attack her and lie about her for 30 years certainot Oct 2020 #193

Political orthodoxy at its worst. Aristus Oct 2020 #2

I will honestly never watch another one of her movies, ever greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #3

Maybe Sarandon will play Barrett in the Lifetime Network bio-pic. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #6

The closing shot will be Sarandon as Coney Island.... NorthOf270 Oct 2020 #39

Barrett will be constant reminder of 2016, the year some Democrats choose to protest the Party. Hoyt Oct 2020 #4

Constant is the key word. She is young enough that she may be issuing Statistical Oct 2020 #15

Perhaps it's me, but looking at her gives me the Undiagnosed or Precursor to Serious Disease vibe. TheBlackAdder Oct 2020 #23

Possibly NorthOf270 Oct 2020 #41

Hear Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2020 #5

This 👆🏼 UpInArms Oct 2020 #8

You said it. Newest Reality Oct 2020 #9

When Mr. Chomskey Says To Dial It Back, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #18

Exactly! ;) Newest Reality Oct 2020 #19

Yes, I was surprised when he spoke like that! : o electric_blue68 Oct 2020 #263

That was her theory back in 2016 - vote for trump and we can make things better after him... George II Oct 2020 #52

She can afford the luxury of "sending a message" (at the cost all those among us... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #107

Took me a while to come up with a relatively short... electric_blue68 Oct 2020 #264

You described it perfectly. (I might borrow your wording someday.) NurseJackie Oct 2020 #265

thanks. Be my guest. 🙂 electric_blue68 Oct 2020 #267

+++ brer cat Oct 2020 #261

and the first people to be sent to Hitler's concentration camps were ... DBoon Oct 2020 #197

Clinton lost primarily because of white voters who voted for Obama in 2012 voted for Trump in 2016 Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #7

The left needs to learn so they dont do something that stupid again Fullduplexxx Oct 2020 #12

Do Not Sell The 'Lefter Than Thou' Short, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #14

To you, Sir Hekate Oct 2020 #199

We have that autocrat in part because of some of the left. TwilightZone Oct 2020 #26

Your first premise is incorrect. Clinton lost primarily because many voters felt that she wasn't.... George II Oct 2020 #43

The "Purity Wing" of the Democratic Party is our version of the "teabaggers" to the RePutinicans IMO NoMoreRepugs Oct 2020 #55

A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Oct 2020 #71

OK, interesting theory, the data is a bit difficult though. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #83

Some people are determined not to blame Trump voters for Trump. Mariana Oct 2020 #143

Because trying to understand why white suburban males vote in huge numbers for Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #175

Was it because of their economic anxiety? BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #241

partially, augmented by racist demagoguery that has a long tradition here. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #247

I see BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #249

Even Trump understands that dividing the left was his R B Garr Oct 2020 #220

The OP implied that Sarandon played a big part in the 2016 result, but wasn't the only thing.... George II Oct 2020 #162

the op did nothing of the sort. But ok fine, lets walk back the entire op and start over. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #177

It is Like Arguing With a Kitchen Table, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #182

rather an amazing comment considering the op is doing just that from the center. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #184

The Basic Mis-Understanding, Sir, Rests With The Further Left The Magistrate Oct 2020 #185

there was no misunderstanding on my part. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #186

One Might Say, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #187

Funny Lordquinton Oct 2020 #202

No One Is Interested In Apologetics From People Who Engaged In Sabotage The Magistrate Oct 2020 #206

Now do Gary Johnson Lordquinton Oct 2020 #203

The goalposts are making me dizzy Lordquinton Oct 2020 #205

Jill Stein voters gave trump his margin of victory Gothmog Oct 2020 #69

only if you ignore the shift from Obama to Trump Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #73

Do not forget the sanders voters who voted for trump Gothmog Oct 2020 #88

I never forgot the PUMAS JonLP24 Oct 2020 #106

LOL! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #191

This sheshe2 Oct 2020 #198

Clinton campaign for and worked very hard to elect President Obama Gothmog Oct 2020 #210

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #243

First of all, so did Gary Johnson. He took more votes away from Clinton than Stein did. StevieM Oct 2020 #127

A defeat can have multiple causes Gothmog Oct 2020 #148

James Comey dominated the 2016 election from start to finish. StevieM Oct 2020 #149

Comey was assisted by the NYT who kept the Clinton email story alive Gothmog Oct 2020 #151

You do understand that these voters likely never trumpers and republicans Gothmog Oct 2020 #212

Every indication I saw from polling at the time indicated that Johnson voters came more from HRC. StevieM Oct 2020 #219

I would like to see this polling Gothmog Oct 2020 #236

Exactly. If stein & sarandon hadn't LIED their FUCKING Cha Oct 2020 #189

+100,000,000x100,000,000 oasis Oct 2020 #208

Mahalo, oasis! RF Lessons to learn from History! Cha Oct 2020 #269

James Comey dominated the 2016 election from start to finish. StevieM Oct 2020 #129

The swing state losses were by smaller margins than those states' treestar Oct 2020 #152

No, in PA, the number of votes for Harambe was more than the difference that gave Trump the state. haele Oct 2020 #201

No you cant blame just her the dems bought this sitting out 2010 and 2016 Fullduplexxx Oct 2020 #10

and 2014, 2014 - state and local elections AlexSFCA Oct 2020 #134

Enough. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #11

You Need To Get Out And Read More, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #16

I've seen plenty. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #20

I See, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #22

You know me well by now. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #30

I Do Appreciate Your Contribution Here, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #36

Understood and respected. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #45

You do know that Rove funded Nader Gothmog Oct 2020 #58

So, has 20 years gotten us anywhere? Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #72

Nader's arrogance and stupidity got us the Iraq War and Ciitizens United Gothmog Oct 2020 #79

Ok then. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #81

I am working to elect Joe and to turn Texas blue in the real world Gothmog Oct 2020 #86

This is adorable. herding cats Oct 2020 #229

Us, no. Them, yes. herding cats Oct 2020 #228

"there is no other discussion to be had." ehrnst Oct 2020 #118

There are many enemies, sir. Codeine Oct 2020 #21

I haven't been here that long but this is a bit over the top. Does Sarandon really airmid Oct 2020 #24

You had to be here in 2016. She encouraged not voting for Hillary. brush Oct 2020 #29

Yeah, she is living in people's heads. progressoid Oct 2020 #103

Do you deny she had a hand in it in encouraging people to vote for Jill Stein... brush Oct 2020 #105

A very very small hand. progressoid Oct 2020 #113

What a pretty graphic. Does it show Stein had more votes than the 77k in 3 states... brush Oct 2020 #128

It also doesn't show progressoid Oct 2020 #141

You do a very good job of defending trump voters. brush Oct 2020 #153

Condemning. progressoid Oct 2020 #155

A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Oct 2020 #213

Not the first time a woman has been attacked over the actions of sexist men. Lancero Oct 2020 #221

And she's currently encouraging people to not vote on the Democratic line, even if voting... George II Oct 2020 #160

Scapegoating sells. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #35

I note that Sarandon was also a supporter of that asshole Nader Gothmog Oct 2020 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #246

Oh cool. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #252

All of our days would have been nicer if Gore had won. BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #253

He did win. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #245

She has earned every bit of criticism that she receives. N/t Lucinda Oct 2020 #32

I will not forgive or forget Nader's role in hurting our country Gothmog Oct 2020 #60

ok then. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #77

I am have been working hard in the real world to turn Texas blue and defeat trump Gothmog Oct 2020 #84

The extremist-left who let the perfect be the enemy of the good in 2016 are just as culpable Tarc Oct 2020 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Oct 2020 #93

You must have taken a break in 2015-16 if this is the worst thing you've read here. yardwork Oct 2020 #130

This is not an internal fight at all AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #163

My enemy is anyone not voting for Dems BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #240

Susan Sarandon deserves a lifetime achievement award for fuckery. My Pet Orangutan Oct 2020 #13

It can be a golden coat hanger. nt Statistical Oct 2020 #17

That! plimsoll Oct 2020 #33

K&R sheshe2 Oct 2020 #25

Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #27

I lulz'd KG Oct 2020 #28

She is quite the example of privilege and narcissism. PaulRevere08 Oct 2020 #31

Here she is when asked if she'll vote for Trump instead of Hillary... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #38

Very stupid woman and Jill Stein too, WTF were they thinking? Miigwech Oct 2020 #54

Indeed! Stinky The Clown Oct 2020 #34

Extreme Narcissism and hypocrisy with no remorse Meowmee Oct 2020 #37

When Bill Clinton was President tiredtoo Oct 2020 #42

Lulz! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #47

Personally Susan Sarandon's well being tiredtoo Oct 2020 #147

Nobody is rehashing the past. This is an object lesson. These are things we must remember... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #156

we all know we lost in 2016 tiredtoo Oct 2020 #194

Are There Any Reliable Statistics on How Many People Susan Sarandon Influenced panfluteman Oct 2020 #44

of course not she is just a convenient target for punching left. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #49

This! progressoid Oct 2020 #126

Impossible to put a firm number on it but I believe it was substantial. honest.abe Oct 2020 #64

Sarandon diverted thousands of votes away from our Dem nominee. oasis Oct 2020 #218

Jill Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016. Gothmog Oct 2020 #75

And yet we still have Bernie-or-Busters who want Trump to win again. Oneironaut Oct 2020 #46

VERY FINE TRAITORS ON BOTH SIDES! A great post, thx NurseJackie! (Nt) FreepFryer Oct 2020 #48

Not as easy to find the Sarandons of the world now is it? ismnotwasm Oct 2020 #50

Some cannot resist the lure of flypaper... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #56

Amen. And save some scorn for Eddie Glaude Jr. Paladin Oct 2020 #51

I mute MSNBC when this Stein supporter is on Gothmog Oct 2020 #76

Well said. OnDoutside Oct 2020 #100

Maybe it should be dedicated to RBG for not retiring when Obama was president... mudstump Oct 2020 #53

Lulz! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #57

Good grief. honest.abe Oct 2020 #59

How very democratic of you. mudstump Oct 2020 #112

After 2014, the GOP had a blocking position in the Senate Gothmog Oct 2020 #63

Obama tried to get RBG to retire in 2013 before the Senate takeover. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #74

If this actually happened I am sure Obama completely understood why she didnt want to retire. honest.abe Oct 2020 #89

it actually happened and of course Obama understood. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #91

So we all should understand including you and others casting blame on an innocent person.. honest.abe Oct 2020 #92

Truly at fault? Autumn Oct 2020 #96

Of course there were many factors. We all know that! honest.abe Oct 2020 #99

I'm gonna call a crock of Bullshit on 3 and 5. There have been third party candidates in Autumn Oct 2020 #101

All 5 were factors. honest.abe Oct 2020 #104

Like I said,it's funny how republican assholes get a pass on 16. EVERY time. On a Democratic site. Autumn Oct 2020 #109

It's not very funny how delusional narcissists like ss who have done their best to do harm Meowmee Oct 2020 #168

I love how the actual Trump voters get exactly none of the blame! Mariana Oct 2020 #211

Yeah I saw that. And that remark was no surprise to me, I've seen less praise and more complaints Autumn Oct 2020 #259

3... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #102

Holy shit ismnotwasm Oct 2020 #204

He had lunch with her. Period. Neither ever even hinted that it was about her retiring. George II Oct 2020 #190

At that time, the filibuster rule applied to SCOTUS nominations Gothmog Oct 2020 #94

RBG gambled that she would live long enough for the next democratic president...she lost that bet. mudstump Oct 2020 #121

Nothing in that article or the link within that article says that Obama tried to get her to retire. George II Oct 2020 #188

Seriously????? George II Oct 2020 #65

+1 melman Oct 2020 #66

Hillary warned us that control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 Gothmog Oct 2020 #61

Nor all the so-called "progressives" mcar Oct 2020 #122

trump has appointed one-third of the SCOTUS Gothmog Oct 2020 #215

That's right. Nt mcar Oct 2020 #256

Ironically, her major speech on the subject was given in Wisconsin. StevieM Oct 2020 #125

So, are we to give repuke governors a pass for throwing 100's of 1000's off voter rolls? yaesu Oct 2020 #62

There is no difference between her and you. You're both trying to divide the coalition. miffelplix Oct 2020 #67

What "coalition" are you speaking of? George II Oct 2020 #136

The Donald Trump-Jill Stein coalition? AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #166

I am also curious Gothmog Oct 2020 #216

Oh FFS, put it to rest already. vsrazdem Oct 2020 #68

EXACTLY. Mike Niendorff Oct 2020 #78

Never. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #95

I think not. AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #167

Sorry. Get used to hearing it. kcr Oct 2020 #222

i prefer not to live in the past. vsrazdem Oct 2020 #242

LOL! Ridiculous! -- Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #266

LOL, good one. vsrazdem Oct 2020 #268

It's too late now. Oh, I voted already, but it's too fucking late to fucking matter. Texin Oct 2020 #70

I'll forgive Susan Sarandon when she goes to Hillary and GROVELS, on her knees, not_the_one Oct 2020 #80

That is was bugs me even more... she and others still wont fess up to their msitake. honest.abe Oct 2020 #90

Hillary being a thousand times better than Trump wasn't good enough for Susan. Ugh! :) nt Sloumeau Oct 2020 #85

Sarandon preferred Trump's WALL over Hillary... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #116

There's plenty of blame to go around. Mariana Oct 2020 #87

K&R betsuni Oct 2020 #97

Never buying ANYTHING you're selling, Susan. Never again. calimary Oct 2020 #98

If it makes people feel better to scapegoat Surandon go ahead JonLP24 Oct 2020 #108

It is not scapegoating AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #164

Oh, the all powerfull Susan Sarandon returns! progressoid Oct 2020 #110

It's a very special day in her highly touted "destroy it to rebuild it" philosophy... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #111

"And her sympathizers and defenders" progressoid Oct 2020 #115

Lulz! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #117

Soooo, what does that mean? progressoid Oct 2020 #119

"..her NYC duplex sold quickly for 7.9 million." In other words she's not one of the Americans.... George II Oct 2020 #132

I'm not defending her weath. progressoid Oct 2020 #139

As long as trump is in office, tens of millions of people are out of work, hundreds of thousands... George II Oct 2020 #142

"among other factors" progressoid Oct 2020 #144

When the presidency was decided by a mere 77,000 of 129,000,000 votes, EVERY factor is relevant. George II Oct 2020 #146

But only one factor is worth harping on progressoid Oct 2020 #154

Aw. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #157

Ouch. progressoid Oct 2020 #183

There are a large number of real democrats who will not forgive or forget this idiot Gothmog Oct 2020 #217

Along with the ignorant assholes who defend her. kcr Oct 2020 #223

And to every other mcar Oct 2020 #114

Sarandon gave them permission to do so. She encouraged it with her lies about... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #120

That is correct mcar Oct 2020 #123

She gave them permission??? She's a damn powerful woman then, Autumn Oct 2020 #161

Absolutely she did! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #170

Yeah sure, permission Autumn Oct 2020 #173

You're welcome. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #176

She is also an activist who was a surrogate for Nader, John Edwards, Bernie Sanders. betsuni Oct 2020 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #248

That's a fact, a laughing GIF or nasty snark when one can't come up with a reply to what is posted. Autumn Oct 2020 #258

Absolutely correct AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #169

You are so correct in that assessment. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #174

I'd vote for even a conservative Democrat over any Republican. AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #179

As ambivalent as I feel about him... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #180

The overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. nt. Mariana Oct 2020 #207

All it takes is to shave off a few in swing states AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #251

Susan Sarandon's Own Private Handmaid Blue Owl Oct 2020 #131

If trump loses and dems take senate, thomas will likely retire AlexSFCA Oct 2020 #135

You're correct... adding SIX seats (total of 15) is the only remedy. And we will be justified... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #137

doesn have to be 6, 2 will do (11 total). AlexSFCA Oct 2020 #138

Louder, please!! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #140

Yes -- 6 or 8 new seats minimum. AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #171

Amen. She owns this. I'm still waiting for the R B Garr Oct 2020 #145

You're COMPLETELY wrong! brooklynite Oct 2020 #150

I know, right? NurseJackie Oct 2020 #158

I don't post here very much any more, but occasionally I stop by to read - and stumble onto Ron Green Oct 2020 #159

I'm sure you all are equally mad at Mike Bloomberg for helping put the deciding votes in the Senate liskddksil Oct 2020 #165

Whataboutism. AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #172

Not at all. Just stating how we got here. You can rightfully be mad at those who stayed home or vote liskddksil Oct 2020 #181

Looks like you've got that covered pretty well all on your own. Thanks! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #178

We're discussing reasons for why trump was elected. Bloomberg endorsed Hillary Clinton and even.... George II Oct 2020 #192

Sarandon Supported John Edwards who Cosponsered the IWR JI7 Oct 2020 #196

This is very important, destroys "authentic" and "voting with my conscience" and betsuni Oct 2020 #226

Sarandon is a fraud. She sees herself as an activist, but she's a fucking fraud. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #237

What's sad is the comments responding Trumpocalypse Oct 2020 #200

The Sarandon Court must not stand. Gothmog Oct 2020 #209

I was fairly indifferent to SS before, I now despise her. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2020 #224

Susan Sarandon probably Voted for Trump JI7 Oct 2020 #225

She wanted a "revolution"... I would not doubt it at all. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #235

Lessons need to be learned. herding cats Oct 2020 #227

And still more EXCUSES to be made. I'm truly amazed at how many Sarandon Sympathizers there are... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #231

I just want to hear their plan to fix what's been broken. herding cats Oct 2020 #232

I think it goes something like this... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #233

This revolution has been disappointing Gothmog Oct 2020 #272

Ironic: one of reasons people like Sarandon hated Hillary is her imaginary plot to frack everything. betsuni Oct 2020 #230

Sarandon also hated Hillary for her IWR vote. Yet Sarandon was a BIG FAN of John Edwards... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #234

Yes. Double standard weathervane, and for what. betsuni Oct 2020 #238

Pride? Vanity? Ego? Hurt feelings? Stubbornness? Power? Fame? NurseJackie Oct 2020 #239

Stupidity. betsuni Oct 2020 #244

Massively stupid, indeed. That twitter user... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #255

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #250

Some that I expected are absent (and have been for a while now anyway) and there are some... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #257

Susan S will never live this down......kick. oasis Oct 2020 #260

Until the day she dies (and beyond) people will scorn her for her part in all of this. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #262

Any future Oscars are out of the question. She's radioactive. nt oasis Oct 2020 #270

Sarandn and Stein voters-THIS IS ALL ON YOU Gothmog Oct 2020 #271