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Turborama

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Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:28 AM Sep 2012

New Leader Of UK's Green Party: Nuclear Power Is The Betamax Of The Energy World [View all]

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We need to stop being distracted by this techology and focus on promoting and investing in renewables

Natalie Bennett
guardian.co.uk, Fri 28 Sep 2012 11.41 BST

In my first month as the new Green party leader, I've spent lots of time talking about pressing economic and social issues...

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So I think it is worth spending a little time talking about why nuclear power is the Betamax of the energy world - a technology that was briefly in the hunt, but now could be ready to fade away into a museum curiosity. And you don't have to just believe me on this - consider this recent front page from the Economist.

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First, it is immensely and unpredictably expensive. Even a group called Supporters of Nuclear Energy is now questioning the cost of nuclear to the UK. Paying £165/MWh for power from Hinkley Point would make new nuclear more costly than either onshore or offshore wind - a cost that would be felt in the pockets of millions of already hard-stretched British households.
The two European Pressurised Reactors, as proposed for Britain, now being built in Finland and France, are both already running four years behind their construction schedule, and at roughly double the original budget. The French National Audit Office recently recommended that the programme - the very one Britain is looking like signing up for - be abandoned.

Second, it is slow to build - very, very slow. The four new nuclear reactors built by EDF since 1990 have taken on average 14 years to completion and 17.5 years to come online. That's not nearly quick enough to meet Britain's needs, either for power or for emissions reduction.

Third, it is by its nature monopolistic. Enormously expensive and, technologically, immensely complicated, no community would be able to decide to install one even if they wanted to. Local communities aren't going to be able to install one to boost local education spending in the same way that a Scottish Green party councillor is suggesting with wind turbines in Aberdeenshire.

Fourth, it isn't renewable. Arguments are many and varied about the supplies of nuclear fuels and how long they might last, but whatever figures you accept, the fact is we're talking about a quite limited supply. But the wind and the sun are never going to run out - at least not in a time frame we have to worry about.

Full article with lots of embedded links: http://guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2012/sep/28/nuclear-power-betamax-energy-world?cat=environment&type=article
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Bad comparision Confusious Sep 2012 #1
Natalie is a woman Turborama Sep 2012 #2
Of course it's not literal Confusious Sep 2012 #6
An example of a technology that has been relegated to being a historical artifact Turborama Sep 2012 #8
I usually don't read Luddite screeds Confusious Sep 2012 #11
I don't usually reply to posters who only comment on post titles Turborama Sep 2012 #14
Luddites Confusious Sep 2012 #15
Right, so essentially: "I throw ad hominem attacks at writers who's work I don't read" Turborama Oct 2012 #16
Urban dictionary? Confusious Oct 2012 #22
Winners write history tama Oct 2012 #23
I used the laughing icon to express my amusement Confusious Oct 2012 #26
You've got some cheek with your hypocritical accusations Turborama Oct 2012 #33
Three people have agreed with me so far on the betamax term Confusious Oct 2012 #38
Just asking tama Oct 2012 #41
Answer Confusious Oct 2012 #45
I don't agree with either Marx of Ogilvie nt. tama Oct 2012 #47
LOL! So, if 3 people agree with Donald Trump that makes him correct about the President's BC? Turborama Oct 2012 #46
You seem to have a hard time understanding me Confusious Oct 2012 #49
Hey, Confusion, take a deep breath and read what I wrote again... Turborama Oct 2012 #55
I actually looked at the article and it was what I expected Confusious Oct 2012 #56
Wow, not only are you moving the goalposts... Turborama Oct 2012 #62
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To answer your questions tama Oct 2012 #42
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Secondary tama Oct 2012 #53
I might disagree what belongs in what category Confusious Oct 2012 #54
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Like I said uranium mining is no different then any other mining Confusious Oct 2012 #60
A current example hereabouts tama Oct 2012 #61
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Anarchy tama Oct 2012 #88
Communties Confusious Oct 2012 #91
Networks of communities tama Oct 2012 #93
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It fits her purpose, since she is bashing obsession with new technologies. bemildred Sep 2012 #4
Which ones shouldn't? Confusious Sep 2012 #5
Nukes come to mind immediately, various weapons systems, thalidomide. bemildred Sep 2012 #9
It doesn't require education or experience Confusious Sep 2012 #10
Where do you think we should have stopped? the transistor? the electron tube? Zorra Sep 2012 #12
Luddite? Nt Confusious Sep 2012 #13
What do you know about luddites? tama Oct 2012 #19
Again Confusious Oct 2012 #21
Following that "logic"... Turborama Oct 2012 #34
Really? You're going to go with that nonlogic? Confusious Oct 2012 #37
Yet another logic fail, how embarrassing for you! Turborama Oct 2012 #40
No, the theory hasn't existed for millennia Confusious Oct 2012 #43
Looks like you've got some reading to do... Turborama Oct 2012 #51
Jesus Confusious Oct 2012 #52
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The exchange of printed money doesn't make capitalism Confusious Oct 2012 #58
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Division of labor in manfacturing Confusious Oct 2012 #74
That's the origin of the Greek word tama Oct 2012 #78
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It's not ignoring tama Oct 2012 #84
Social mobility Confusious Oct 2012 #86
I don't believe so tama Oct 2012 #89
You should believe so Confusious Oct 2012 #90
I thought the same thing when I read it -- superior performance undercut by cheaper and crappier Brickbat Oct 2012 #17
That was my first thought too after seeing the headline NT Serve The Servants Oct 2012 #32
That was my thought too 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #75
Yea I thought of the Hindenberg and airplanes too. nt Confusious Oct 2012 #76
K&R But that was a very bad analogy. The leader of a political party really needs to be more Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #3
Maybe she took a holiday in Germany green for victory Sep 2012 #7
Thank you Turborama Oct 2012 #35
Well, I've never known of anyone dying from cancer, sick with thyroid or prostate disease.. Tikki Oct 2012 #25
She's lost already Hutzpa Oct 2012 #36
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