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alarimer

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54. It doesn't matter.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2020, 05:03 PM

Nov 2020

They will be called socialists no matter what.

I do agree that "Defund that police" is an unfortunate phrase. It is incorrect and requires lots of explanation, which is not useful. Maybe "Police reform" or something.

But I also think pandering to the right in an effort to seem more likable from their point of view is useless. Everything they believe is a lie. It is also impossible to correct people when they believe things that are not true.

Simply stand up for what you believe in and let the chips fall where they may.

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"Defund The Police" and "Democratic Socialism" are political losers [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2020 OP

dem socialists need to rebrand themselves nt msongs Nov 2020 #1

Social Democracy is more accurate and plays better. Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #30

I think we should call it "The Great Society" DBoon Nov 2020 #39

You may need to do more research... ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #82

I did. Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #86

Burry your head in the sand if you like. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #87

... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #96

I totally agree NurseJackie, ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #100

The question is not what Sanders calls himself. Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #105

You really should read what you link. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #108

You should read beyond the intros. Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #111

I read beyond the intros, I have also read all the refrences posted in my first read through 390... ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #112

...do I dare say more. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #109

yes, all of the extremely few elected Dems who falsely self-label as dem socs are just social dems Celerity Nov 2020 #88

How about Justice Dems? BainsBane Nov 2020 #113

They should start their own party instead of attacking Democrats AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #69

I see a lot more attacking of them than I do them attacking other elected Dems Celerity Nov 2020 #89

Mainstream Democrats defend the attacks by occasionally counterattacking. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #94

lol, you suggested they (no clue how expansive this 'they' is) go start their own party Celerity Nov 2020 #97

They AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #98

oh, so its oki to have a go at anything to the left of say, Klobuchar, on a daily basis (especially Celerity Nov 2020 #99

The "socialist" label cost us Miami-Dade and the Rio Grande valley AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #102

there are no socialists in the Democratic party, that is a RW talking point for almost 90 years Celerity Nov 2020 #103

I respectfully disagree. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #104

fair enough, cheers Celerity Nov 2020 #106

They DID !!! They tagged on "Democratic" thinking no one would notice the other half .... OnDoutside Nov 2020 #72

We need to redefine the fundamental purpose of the economy Klaralven Nov 2020 #77

So is gun control generally. PTWB Nov 2020 #2

I have sympathy for both but I totally agree. redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #3

We actually moved to the right with Biden JonLP24 Nov 2020 #16

Who cares, we beat Trump. That's all that counts right now. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #83

I don't think it's Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #17

As long as the Democrats who get the most air time are constantly talking about defunding police redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #22

I'm concerned about police violating people's rights JonLP24 Nov 2020 #26

So agree with you 100% or she is not interested in solving problems? Nice. RelativelyJones Nov 2020 #48

We won't be solving any problems unless we win the elections. NYC Liberal Nov 2020 #56

You should frame the issue as such... ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #84

How can we solve problems if we don't win elections? nt dware Nov 2020 #95

I watch a lot of cable news Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #33

I have seen no such thing on the air, much less "constantly". We also don't have BComplex Nov 2020 #55

This isn't about actually moving to the "left" or "right" ibegurpard Nov 2020 #34

BLM have been asking for it long before this election JonLP24 Nov 2020 #36

BLM has to come up with better branding ibegurpard Nov 2020 #40

Me too! get the red out Nov 2020 #38

Agreed. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #4

It's all about the right wing media machine distorting things budkin Nov 2020 #5

But which Dems actually Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #6

Jamaal Bowman won JonLP24 Nov 2020 #11

He unseated a Dem in a very blue district..while being endorsed by alot of local mainstream Dems caber09 Nov 2020 #46

AOC is probably the most prominent TwilightZone Nov 2020 #15

Ok. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #20

No, but the GOP tried to tie it to all of them. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #28

It def hurt on local level, especially here in NY... caber09 Nov 2020 #45

"Demilitarized the Police" would be good ace3csusm Nov 2020 #7

What brought this post on? gab13by13 Nov 2020 #8

Sorry JonLP24 Nov 2020 #9

the rise of the New Democrats comes again joshcryer Nov 2020 #10

+1000 JonLP24 Nov 2020 #12

Agreed 100%....good Dems have gone down here on Long Island.. caber09 Nov 2020 #13

there is no far-left... stillcool Nov 2020 #23

Pretty much. Captain Stern Nov 2020 #14

Gee, we never should have campaigned using those slogans. dawg Nov 2020 #18

Wrong.. caber09 Nov 2020 #29

I don't like to say this but I feel we just got lucky because of Covid. I know my sister and Jspur Nov 2020 #49

I posted about this a few months ago and got scortched. alittlelark Nov 2020 #19

Yes they do. I said the same thing a few months ago and was assaulted on here. redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #24

De-Militarize the Police... Deacon Blue Nov 2020 #21

Agree. they could be called anything else Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #25

"defund the police" is about the stupidest policy slogan ever 0rganism Nov 2020 #27

Spot On...you said it better than I did caber09 Nov 2020 #31

"Law Enforcement Reform" TwilightZone Nov 2020 #32

what's really sad is ... 0rganism Nov 2020 #35

Because law enforcement reform isn't anything new JonLP24 Nov 2020 #42

yes, it's old and trite, but as a slogan it works where "defund the police" does not 0rganism Nov 2020 #51

If I had to guess, it was intentional. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #43

Because it isn't about "reforming" police. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #63

Democrats have always been terrible at messaging Poiuyt Nov 2020 #37

It's very difficult to combat fear messaging which the Republicans Jspur Nov 2020 #50

Donny Deutsch had a brilliant way that Dems could market themselves. Poiuyt Nov 2020 #52

Here's the Donny Deutsch meme Poiuyt Nov 2020 #53

I live in NC so I saw a lot of commercials of Cal Cunningham who was the democratic candidate Jspur Nov 2020 #57

I agree... Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #41

Counterpoint melman Nov 2020 #44

Biden has shown me that even when he run a strong moderate that we are still going to be branded Jspur Nov 2020 #47

+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #91

It doesn't matter. alarimer Nov 2020 #54

Agree with you 100 percent with you have to let the Jspur Nov 2020 #60

Absolutely. Silver1 Nov 2020 #58

On the other hand, ... Straw Man Nov 2020 #59

I feel socialism is really a cover up to justify their racism. Jspur Nov 2020 #61

That's what I said. Straw Man Nov 2020 #62

Facts Aepps22 Nov 2020 #64

I was just reinforcing that you were right about Jspur Nov 2020 #66

Great minds think alike! Straw Man Nov 2020 #71

Socialism is a scare tactic from from the early 1900's. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #67

The police aren't funded nationally, are they? Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #65

Police are typically funded at the municipal level... Caliman73 Nov 2020 #68

Yes. It's not a national dialog, Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #70

Republicans will use whatever lie, hyperbole, or ignorance they can get. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #73

let's look at a county. Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #74

let's look at a county. Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #75

Federalism, it is the system we have. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #79

Thank you very much for posting this Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #80

The first was a non-starter, but Democratic Socialism was NOT on the ballot. WyattKansas Nov 2020 #76

Agreed it's really frustrating we can never leave 1980 behind in the Jspur Nov 2020 #78

Can we redux this shit later? SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #81

"Reform the police" would be much better messaging. Initech Nov 2020 #85

The REAL problem is that "socialism" is being linked to "communism" and taking away people's rights" TigressDem Nov 2020 #90

Fund justice, not murder in the streets jacksonian Nov 2020 #92

Stay Blue Thru 2022. oasis Nov 2020 #93

Let's Be Honest Aepps22 Nov 2020 #101

ABSOLUTELY!!! I'm a proud Democrat, not a socialist, and I don't want to defund the police! grobertj Nov 2020 #107